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      01-30-2018, 01:13 PM   #221
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Model wise good move, platform wise stupid move.

BMW should keep the RWD platform with AWD option as a replacement for the legendary E46.

I cannot believe that nobody in the BMW structure can see the things differently:
"Hey, we should not compete with Mercedes or Audi FWD entrance models. Let's make a smaller 3 series with a RWD platform and AWD option, a vehicle that will put our legacy back on track and bring the smiles back on customer's face."

What an opportunity to blow in a different direction with quite some benefits. Many will jump on a such vehicle leaving Mercedes and Audi in the rear view mirror since the driving experience will be better.

I don't think that it will take customers from 3 series. Who doesn't want a 3 series doesn't want a 3 Series. and if the 2 series becomes the main seller what is wrong with that? better sell a 240i RWD GC than have the customer leaving the brand.

So many voices craving for a E46 revival, and nobody is listening. How dumb is that?

This is a sheep attitude and I blame them for it. if I will have the chance to work for BMW I will have some very gutsy moves but I can guarantee success and profits; and a proper image rehabilitation.

A GC RWD/AWD will be a wise and popular choice for so many.
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M2GC vs. RS3
No M2 GC in development.

A3 ~ A250/CLA250 ~ 128i/228i GC
S3 ~ A35/CLA35 ~ M135i/M235i GC
RS3 ~ A45/CLA45 ~ Nothing

What's an A35, you ask? Google knows
https://www.google.com/search?q=mercedes+A35

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Just trying to keep it real. FWIW, if you look back in this thread, SCOTT and ynguldyn are in agreement with me.
Most importantly, the positioning of the front calipers is in agreement with us.
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Mazda3's look like a truncated bug.
Better than whatever this thing is going to look like and you won't be paying $10k for a BMW badge.
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Which is weird, because Audi for example can make a good looking sedan in different sizes - I like the shape of both the A3 and A4.

This thing could have been awesome - maybe the camo is hiding something great from a body shell perspective, but no ///M version = no real competitor to the RS3...
YA THINK?! LOL
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If only it was RWD based, it would've been the first new BMW in years I'd actually pony up for. What a huge opportunity missed by BMW putting it on the FWD platform, are they even trying anymore? :

They've gone full retard. If I want a FWD based small sedan I'd buy a goddamn Audi. I don't need or want a shittier Audi knockoff.
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      01-30-2018, 01:28 PM   #227
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Remember when BMW restructured their naming convention so sedans would be odd numbers and coupes would be even... and then made an even numbered sedan version of every coupe they make.

Z4GC coming soon.
it's about time they recognize their screwup, and rename models as follows,

1er - small sedan and hatchback models
2er - small coupe
3er - midsize sedan
4er - midsize coupe
5er - full size sedan
6er - GT
7er - luxobarge sedan
8er - flagship coupe
9er - (why not?) flagship gran coupe
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YA THINK?! LOL


Sometimes there are good things underneath, and others....well that's what I was getting at!
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If only it was RWD based, it would've been the first new BMW in years I'd actually pony up for. What a huge opportunity missed by BMW putting it on the FWD platform, are they even trying anymore? :

They've gone full retard. If I want a FWD based small sedan I'd buy a goddamn Audi. I don't need or want a shittier Audi knockoff.
Exactly - RWD is one of the main positive attributes of the brand, from a heritage and know-what-they're-doing standpoint.

The interiors of comparable Audis and Mercs are typically better...so if you have the same drivetrain option as them now, why do people buy the product again???
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Sometimes there are good things underneath, and others....well that's what I was getting at!
Sorry.. but these cars ALWAYS.. look better than people expect from when they are in camo.

Check out this image painted in vantablack

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/world...ial/index.html

While that's not a material that BMW uses (that I am aware of!) .. the image in the story above begs the question..
how can you accurately judge what you are seeing when you can't see what you are judging?
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Model wise good move, platform wise stupid move.

BMW should keep the RWD platform with AWD option as a replacement for the legendary E46.

I cannot believe that nobody in the BMW structure can see the things differently:
"Hey, we should not compete with Mercedes or Audi FWD entrance models. Let's make a smaller 3 series with a RWD platform and AWD option, a vehicle that will put our legacy back on track and bring the smiles back on customer's face."

What an opportunity to blow in a different direction with quite some benefits. Many will jump on a such vehicle leaving Mercedes and Audi in the rear view mirror since the driving experience will be better.

I don't think that it will take customers from 3 series. Who doesn't want a 3 series doesn't want a 3 Series. and if the 2 series becomes the main seller what is wrong with that? better sell a 240i RWD GC than have the customer leaving the brand.

So many voices craving for a E46 revival, and nobody is listening. How dumb is that?

This is a sheep attitude and I blame them for it. if I will have the chance to work for BMW I will have some very gutsy moves but I can guarantee success and profits; and a proper image rehabilitation.

A GC RWD/AWD will be a wise and popular choice for so many.


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No M2 GC in development.

A3 ~ A250/CLA250 ~ 128i/228i GC
S3 ~ A35/CLA35 ~ M135i/M235i GC
RS3 ~ A45/CLA45 ~ Nothing

What's an A35, you ask? Google knows
https://www.google.com/search?q=mercedes+A35

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Most importantly, the positioning of the front calipers is in agreement with us.
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Interesting to see that guy cheesing for the camera. Most test drivers seems they avoid being seen
You assume these "Spy" shots aren't staged?
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Profile looks more like a GT than a GC
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      01-30-2018, 02:39 PM   #234
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Great Bmw basically just made a faster CLA250 I'm glad Bmw is making cars for everyone now instead of just making good cars that are relevant to Motorsport 3,5,7 that's all they need. Smh
Only 3, 5, and 7? What do you have against coupes?
Nothing against coupè. I'm not a coupè person, but BMW isn't making coupès like most people. They make a 2 door version of a 4 door version and then make a 4 door version of that same car. Like what the hell. Why buy a 240 GC when you could buy a 340i the new G20 will have a M340i package so why even bother with an M240i GC. It's just kinda redundant imo
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Only GC that looks good is the 6 series.
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You assume these "Spy" shots aren't staged?
I assume ALL bimmerpost " spy shots " are staged as I believe Bimmerpost is a BMW AG conduit to the marketplace .

how else can so many moderators tell us what's what about upcoming models?
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the new G20 will have a M340i package so why even bother with an M240i GC. It's just kinda redundant imo
Why buy a 640i GC or 650i GC when you could get a 740i or 750i? Right?
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the new G20 will have a M340i package so why even bother with an M240i GC. It's just kinda redundant imo
Why buy a 640i or 650i when you could get a 740i or 750i? Right?
Theoretically the idea is correct but the 6 series is kinda a weird one because it fits in between the 5 and the 7 which I get. As a coupè. But to make it a Gran Coupè is kinda weird imo. It's like buying a CLS550 instead of buying an E550 or an S550 Mercedes.
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Theoretically the idea is correct but the 6 series is kinda a weird one because it fits in between the 5 and the 7 which I get. As a coupè. But to make it a Gran Coupè is kinda weird imo. It's like buying a CLS550 instead of buying an E550 or an S550 Mercedes.
Yeah, I meant to specify GC in that post - I added it just after I posted, but you quoted me before that.

Anyway, yes, it is very similar to the CLS as compared to the S Class. So that's the answer you are looking for. The reason BMW has created these products (four or five door "coupes") is because their competitors did it first and had success. In order to try to keep pace in sales, they had to come up with an answer.
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Theoretically the idea is correct but the 6 series is kinda a weird one because it fits in between the 5 and the 7 which I get. As a coupè. But to make it a Gran Coupè is kinda weird imo. It's like buying a CLS550 instead of buying an E550 or an S550 Mercedes.
Yeah, I meant to specify GC in that post - I added it just after I posted, but you quoted me before that.

Anyway, yes, it is very similar to the CLS as compared to the S Class. So that's the answer you are looking for. The reason BMW has created these products (four or five door "coupes") is because their competitors did it first and had success. In order to try to keep pace in sales, they had to come up with an answer.
They did but the CLS is again kind of a bastard child in my opinion. I'm just weird like that though. With that being said I'm waiting for the New M760LI xJive Coupè and then the Gran Coupè version <3 going to be amazing. Why would you want an 8er or a 6er after we that
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fwd + crap naming system and cheap materials im actually disgusted by this car. honestly id rather have a toyota yaris atleast then i dont look like a fool buying this "bmw".
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Maybe - if 6MT available

I'd order a RWD 2GC 6MT in a heartbeat (meaning today). FWD - never. AWD - maybe.

Hopefully they fix the offset steering wheel. I had a 228i convertible loaner and the seat was noticeably offset. Same problem in the X2 I sat in at the car show last week. My M2 doesn't have the offset problem.

One thing I don't hear mentioned in the posts above is car length. My E46 fits in my garage perfectly as does my M2. The current 3-series doesn't fit so I don't have a BMW four-door sedan option. The X2 does fit but I'm not a SUV fan. For me, the magic length is 180 inches - nothing longer than that works for me. There aren't many interesting four-door sedans that will fit in my garage: Civic R-Type, Golf R and Audi RS3 is about it.
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