[Hekler]

I put one on my 240 along with BMW comp muffler and it sounds amazing!!

[AleksanderSuave]

So it looks like after telling everyone that the oem 2 bolt mount isn’t necessary, they ended up putting one on it after all?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by AleksanderSuave

So it looks like after telling everyone that the oem 2 bolt mount isn’t necessary, they ended up putting one on it after all?

Necessary for what? Lots of brands dont have it and do not have any issues.

[2rbolag]

Mike, I'm interested in a vrsf dp and bm3 license for my 18' m240xi.
Let me know

Cheers

[AleksanderSuave]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Necessary for what? Lots of brands dont have it and do not have any issues.

Im not trying to argue, but on your own site,
https://x-ph.com/m240-3/
of the 240i downpipes, there are 12 choices.

excluding VRSF (since they include the mount now), only 2 other brands do not, ACTIVE AUTOWERKE and VM. Thats less than 20% overall.

I read a lot of their posts on the 3 series forum..arguing against the need for the mounting tab...however...after having installed one over the weekend, to say that its unnecessary...when you have two sections of metal pipe separated by a flexible joint is a little overzealous.

one side is held with a clamp to the turbo. The other with an exhaust clamp into the midpipe.

with a flexible joint between the two...and no center mount, both logic and physics would argue that its a recipe for added movement.

being that its catless and less heavy than the stock one, Im sure its LESS important, than the OEM setup, but if after all the debating, VRSF decided to include it on the design anyway..I'm willing to bet that their reasoning in doing so (and increasing their cost to manufacture) wasnt simply to "stop internet forum debates".

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by AleksanderSuave

Im not trying to argue, but on your own site,
https://x-ph.com/m240-3/
of the 240i downpipes, there are 12 choices.

excluding VRSF (since they include the mount now), only 2 other brands do not, ACTIVE AUTOWERKE and VM. Thats less than 20% overall.

I read a lot of their posts on the 3 series forum..arguing against the need for the mounting tab...however...after having installed one over the weekend, to say that its unnecessary...when you have two sections of metal pipe separated by a flexible joint is a little overzealous.

one side is held with a clamp to the turbo. The other with an exhaust clamp into the midpipe.

with a flexible joint between the two...and no center mount, both logic and physics would argue that its a recipe for added movement.

being that its catless and less heavy than the stock one, Im sure its LESS important, than the OEM setup, but if after all the debating, VRSF decided to include it on the design anyway..I'm willing to bet that their reasoning in doing so (and increasing their cost to manufacture) wasnt simply to "stop internet forum debates".

Tiago himself said that the bracket is not necessary. He said its there to make the install easier for the inexperienced ones.

If you feel more comfortable getting a downpipe with the brace then get one by all means

here is Tiago response in another thread

It's not intended to support load, it's there to help inexperienced installers at BMW's dealerships line up the relative flange angles.

Regardless, our downpipes now include the bracket to aid said installers

[AleksanderSuave]

Yes, Ive seen that response.

Hard to argue that its not a bit biased.

And while I understand that VRSF is a volume operation first and foremost, meaning that they likely outsell most others...they are the only one that I continuously see posts about fitment issues with. Whether thats due to actual defect, or shipping damage, or installer error, or a perfect storm of all of the above, who knows.

Considering that BMW vehicles are produced on a modern assembly line..like all other modern vehicles, its tough to believe the idea that the mounting tab is for "inexperienced installers"..as the BMW factory itself likely isnt inexperienced in the assembly of its own cars.

I also saw Tiago's posts about revisions to the downpipe after multiple users had fitment issues. So thats a good thing that they take feedback in stride and improve their products.

I just wouldn't want to be a test case and I spent the couple of hours tearing the car apart in my driveway to install the downpipe for the first time, only to find out that I got one that did not fit, I would not be happy.

For that reason I bought the CTS Turbo Downpipe..which fit with no expansion tool at all. And had the mounts

[135kev]

Just a heads up, If you get the O2 spacer with the 90degree part it won't screw on with the bracket there.. I installed my VRSF a few weeks ago and when I installed the spacer I was like frickkkk, took a hammer and bent the bracket down . Screwed in the spacer and bent it back.

[heusing240i]

Any chance of swapping my vrsf for the newer version with the mounting bracket? I find myself re-torquing the v-clamp once a week.

[mike@x-ph.com]

[AleksanderSuave]

Originally Posted by heusing240i

Any chance of swapping my vrsf for the newer version with the mounting bracket? I find myself re-torquing the v-clamp once a week.

blasphemy