[rich8566]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

If your in the novice group, don't even think of turning off the nannies.

That is horrible advice. So many people think they are being held back by dsc, when it actually helps you.

You want to run a faster lap, get real tires not street tires like PSS, real brakes - pagid or equivelant, SS hoses, racing fluid, and get practice at the track.

I concur. Nannies off for more advanced and experienced track drivers only.

[qnet]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

If your in the novice group, don't even think of turning off the nannies.

That is horrible advice. So many people think they are being held back by dsc, when it actually helps you.

You want to run a faster lap, get real tires not street tires like PSS, real brakes - pagid or equivelant, SS hoses, racing fluid, and get practice at the track.

Originally Posted by rich8566

I concur. Nannies off for more advanced and experienced track drivers only.

Thank you both for clearing that up.

[DVC]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

If your in the novice group, don't even think of turning off the nannies.

That is horrible advice. So many people think they are being held back by dsc, when it actually helps you.

Agreed... Sport+ allows some slip angle leeway to facilitate learning to manage getting a little out of shape, and giving you enough freedom to put down some good times. But it still gives you a safety net if you really overcook it. And if you're doing your part properly (particularly if you have the LSD), Sport+ barely even intervenes. And if it does, you know you need to smooth things out in that section next time... learning your lesson without the (potentially expensive) drama.

ETA: Interesting recent article in Road & Track on the subject... <link>

[ineedae46m3]

Nice times. An M235i ran a 2:25 at the Glen in Sport mode with all traction control on. Novice driver < 5 track days.

I don't see how turning nannies off to achieve a 2:23 would even be worth the risk, since in the end it's still an HPDE.

I guess Sport + would be the next step for that driver but to achieve a second or two... Is it worth it?

These cars are a blast to drive though, that's for sure.

[rich8566]

Originally Posted by ineedae46m3

Nice times. An M235i ran a 2:25 at the Glen in Sport mode with all traction control on. Novice driver < 5 track days.

I don't see how turning nannies off to achieve a 2:23 would even be worth the risk, since in the end it's still an HPDE.

I guess Sport + would be the next step for that driver but to achieve a second or two... Is it worth it?

These cars are a blast to drive though, that's for sure.

With nannies off the car has a more satisfying feel coming out of the corners. With nannies on I feel "held back" in an unnatural way. Again, don't turn the nannies off unless you are totally confident in your abilities.

[ineedae46m3]

I ran a 2:23 at the Glen as well, square setup as well, otherwise stock. In sport mode.

[ineedae46m3]

Well I got down to a 2:20 at the Glen in my M235i on Sunday. 6spd. RWD. Stock Brake Pads. ATE 200 Brake Fluid. Hankook RS3 245-40R17 Square. (13 Days on them running 38 hot all around).

Super excited, had a couple 2:23s that day, I am beyond excited.