[OldCrow7xx]

Greetings- I am looking at a set of wheels on eBay and this would be my first time going for 19s on a car.

They are staggered and the back pair is 19x9.5 with offset value of 35. My reading and guessing says this could be a bit aggressive to still go et35 on a 9.5 inch rim???

What size tire would this need, and will this fit on the m235 without any suspension modification?

Thanks !!

[accs]

I'm not sure about what you need for a nice 19 setup but 9.5 and et35 is Def too aggressive

[Maynard]

This may help: http://www.tire-size-calculator.info/ Buying wheels on eBay is a real crap-shoot, even if you can verify size, backspacing, and center bore size; still the question of whether they are selling b/c one is bent.

[Joe240]

19x9.5et35 will have about 15-20mm of poke. I was running 19x9.5et44 and had some decent poke (I measured roughly 8-10mm) on stock suspension with 265/30 tires. Stuck out past the fender a tad, but nothing noticeable unless you were looking for it.

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

19x9.5et35 will have about 15-20mm of poke. I was running 19x9.5et44 and had some decent poke (I measured roughly 8-10mm) on stock suspension with 265/30 tires. Stuck out past the fender a tad, but nothing noticeable unless you were looking for it.

It looked sick right? and the wheels still didn't rub when you turned?
thx

[Joe240]

I liked it. The 19s were the OEMConcepts 437m replicas. 19x8.5et39 front 19x9.5et44 rear. 235/35/19, 265/30/19 with stock suspension. Zero rubbing.

Personally, I got better performance from the 18s though and they were close in fitments. VMR wheels 18x8.5et42 front 18x9.5et45 rear. 235/40/18, 265/35/18 with stock suspension. Zero rubbing.

With both setups, the VMR being slightly closer inwards from the higher offsets, still had slight poke in the back. The fronts were damn near flush.

[Joe240]

These are the 437m replica 19s for size comparison

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

I liked it. The 19s were the OEMConcepts 437m replicas. 19x8.5et39 front 19x9.5et44 rear. 235/35/19, 265/30/19 with stock suspension. Zero rubbing.

Personally, I got better performance from the 18s though and they were close in fitments. VMR wheels 18x8.5et42 front 18x9.5et45 rear. 235/40/18, 265/35/18 with stock suspension. Zero rubbing.

With both setups, the VMR being slightly closer inwards from the higher offsets, still had slight poke in the back. The fronts were damn near flush.

Car looks filthy! Super helpful bro thanks

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

I liked it. The 19s were the OEMConcepts 437m replicas. 19x8.5et39 front 19x9.5et44 rear. 235/35/19, 265/30/19 with stock suspension. Zero rubbing.

Personally, I got better performance from the 18s though and they were close in fitments. VMR wheels 18x8.5et42 front 18x9.5et45 rear. 235/40/18, 265/35/18 with stock suspension. Zero rubbing.

With both setups, the VMR being slightly closer inwards from the higher offsets, still had slight poke in the back. The fronts were damn near flush.

Hey- which attribute of the wheel specifications affects break pad clearance?

Do I need to worry about that at all?

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by OldCrow7xx

Hey- which attribute of the wheel specifications affects break pad clearance?

Do I need to worry about that at all?

There's 2 factors that affect brake clearance. First is whether or not the wheel has a "lip" or not. The second is the offset of the wheel.

If the wheel has a lip to it, usually a negative offset is required to pull the spokes of the wheel away from the hub (think concave wheels).

If the wheel has no lip to it, you can get away with most any offset so long as it's not more than the wheel itself (8.5in wheel = 215.9mm, offset of 0 would put the hub centered on the wheel, or 107.95mm from the face of the wheel). For an 8.5" wheel, an offset of 107mm would put the brakes against the face of the wheel causing contact.

For the 2er, a 9.5" wheel can fit on the back axle with a high offset (50-55mm, may need a spacer though to clear the strut on the inside). On the front, 8.5" wheel is about the widest you can fit on stock suspension and would need an offset between 35-42mm.

The picture below shows wheels that have a "lip" on them. This car has them on the front and back, but notice that the front wheel has a smaller lip, most likely due to a thinner wheel and to accommodate clearance for the front brakes.

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

There's 2 factors that affect brake clearance. First is whether or not the wheel has a "lip" or not. The second is the offset of the wheel.

If the wheel has a lip to it, usually a negative offset is required to pull the spokes of the wheel away from the hub (think concave wheels).

If the wheel has no lip to it, you can get away with most any offset so long as it's not more than the wheel itself (8.5in wheel = 215.9mm, offset of 0 would put the hub centered on the wheel, or 107.95mm from the face of the wheel). For an 8.5" wheel, an offset of 107mm would put the brakes against the face of the wheel causing contact.

For the 2er, a 9.5" wheel can fit on the back axle with a high offset (50-55mm, may need a spacer though to clear the strut on the inside). On the front, 8.5" wheel is about the widest you can fit on stock suspension and would need an offset between 35-42mm.

The picture below shows wheels that have a "lip" on them. This car has them on the front and back, but notice that the front wheel has a smaller lip, most likely due to a thinner wheel and to accommodate clearance for the front brakes.

So a 19x9.5 et35 will have clearance issues? like you would have to go all the way up to 50mm offset to not have clearance issues?

I basically want 19s with a really deep shiny lip. Thats what I am trying to achieve. Staggered 19s with a deep shiny lip that dont rub or scrape anything.

Thanks

[Joe240]

Yea the 2er doesn't have space front or rear to have wide wheels AND a lip. You'd have to use a smaller wheel width, like 7.5-8" to get a wheel with a deep lip/concave without having to modify the body or suspension. 9.5et35 would poke quite a lot past the fender so would have the potential to rub over large bumps and hard cornering.

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Yea the 2er doesn't have space front or rear to have wide wheels AND a lip. You'd have to use a smaller wheel width, like 7.5-8" to get a wheel with a deep lip/concave without having to modify the body or suspension. 9.5et35 would poke quite a lot past the fender so would have the potential to rub over large bumps and hard cornering.

So they sell 19x9.5 rims for other cars where their bodies can better accommodate those dimensions? Although my vehicle sadly cannot?

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Yea the 2er doesn't have space front or rear to have wide wheels AND a lip. You'd have to use a smaller wheel width, like 7.5-8" to get a wheel with a deep lip/concave without having to modify the body or suspension. 9.5et35 would poke quite a lot past the fender so would have the potential to rub over large bumps and hard cornering.

If I am finally understanding this stuff, these should fit well?

http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayI...rsion=eefc707b

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by OldCrow7xx

So they sell 19x9.5 rims for other cars where their bodies can better accommodate those dimensions? Although my vehicle sadly cannot?

Correct. The 2er's wheel wells aren't overly large so you could only do high offset 9.5" wheels in the back as the widest

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by OldCrow7xx

If I am finally understanding this stuff, these should fit well?

http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayI...rsion=eefc707b

Yes, those should fit based on the measurements provided in the post. The only thing they don't list is the bolt pattern so verify they're 5x120 bolt pattern

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Yes, those should fit based on the measurements provided in the post. The only thing they don't list is the bolt pattern so verify they're 5x120 bolt pattern

Hell yeah thanks man.

I think i will still need to buy new tires because they look too narrow on the stock 7.5/8 inch rims now. It looks very tacky haha rim sticks out past the rubber.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Correct. The 2er's wheel wells aren't overly large so you could only do high offset 9.5" wheels in the back as the widest

I recommend finding a local, qualified shop to advise you during your search. They not only understand the issues involved, they've already seen and heard it all.

It's not at all difficult to end up with wheels and/or tires that won't fit on your car, no matter which car it is. Ask me how I know this.

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by dradernh

I recommend finding a local, qualified shop to advise you during your search. They not only understand the issues involved, they've already seen and heard it all.

It's not at all difficult to end up with wheels and/or tires that won't fit on your car, no matter which car it is. Ask me how I know this.

The variables and dependencies are finally starting to make more sense in my head. This is why the manufacturers make so many combinations of attributes, because people need so many combinations to fit their particular car. There is no one size fits all for any of this stuff, but they try to service the most common setups.

The fitment.com website is pretty killer too where you can see setups on your model car.

[OldCrow7xx]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Yes, those should fit based on the measurements provided in the post. The only thing they don't list is the bolt pattern so verify they're 5x120 bolt pattern

So would these also fit? Even though they are 19 inch they are only 8.5 wide.

If 18x8.5 et35 is ok 19x8.5 et35 should be ok too right? As long as I step down from a 40 aspect ration to a 35 or 30....

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F273777168963

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by OldCrow7xx

So would these also fit? Even though they are 19 inch they are only 8.5 wide.

If 18x8.5 et35 is ok 19x8.5 et35 should be ok too right? As long as I step down from a 40 aspect ration to a 35 or 30....

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F273777168963

Yes, they will work. They may have a tiny bit of poke, maybe 1-2mm, but won’t be noticeable. Only will if you are on lowering springs or coil overs then you might rub. Otherwise stock suspension you’ll be fine. 8.5” wheel recommends a 235 tire so I’d go 235/40/18 or 235/35/19. Those were the 2 I ran on my sets of wheels and they fit great on 8.5”

[Ashotk13]

Love the blue