THE LARGEST BMW 2-SERIES FORUM ON THE PLANET
2Addicts
2Addicts
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
2Addicts | BMW 2-Series forum BMW 2 Series (F22) Forum BMW 2 Series Coupe and Cabriolet (F22/F23) General Forum Conti DWS06 > Mich Pilot AS3+

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-07-2019, 10:20 AM   #1
hwntime
Captain
hwntime's Avatar
270
Rep
823
Posts

Drives: F22 Raptor
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Conti DWS06 > Mich Pilot AS3+

Let me preface this by saying that I'm in the Pacific NW where we get maybe 1-3 days of snow per year on average so I don't feel the need for dedicated snow tires. I can't justify the cost and the space it takes up in my garage for a second set of tires. I've ran 2 sets of Continental DWS06 on my previous car (E92 335i) for 4 years and really liked how they gripped in the sub-freezing temps. This morning it was 31 degrees and the roads were slick and I was sliding all over the place going 15-20mph and felt like I was on ice skates! I've never had this issue with the DWS06's and they handled quite well in iced over roads. I went with the new Mich Pilot AS3+ because of all the great reviews but I can tell you that the DWS06 is much better suited for icy roads. I'm very disappointed in the cold weather performance of the Michelin's. They have around 4000 miles on them so they're well broken-in at this point. Once these tires wear, I'll go back to the Conti's. Anyone else disappointed in the Michelin's?
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 10:33 AM   #2
bryan_G01
Lieutenant Colonel
bryan_G01's Avatar
1165
Rep
1,931
Posts

Drives: like i stole it...
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

conti dws06 are my go to NON Summer tires.

have them mounted on the oem wheels, once it gets cold they go on. Come off for the first race weekend in april.
__________________
www.nybmwcca.org
Current Cars:
1995 M3 Coupe Manual Alpine White
1997 M3 Sedan Auto Cosmo Black Metallic
2018 x3 m40 Auto Grey Metallic
Appreciate 1
hwntime270.00
      01-07-2019, 11:08 AM   #3
Sportstick
Major General
Sportstick's Avatar
4606
Rep
5,980
Posts

Drives: '15 228i and '24 X3 sDrive30i
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Southwest USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hwntime View Post
Anyone else disappointed in the Michelin's?
No, not disappointed in the Michelins, and actually the opposite as I have never relied on them for anything close to winter...not their strength. They are my preferred 3 season tire, and then I would stop by the local indy shop associated with Tire Rack for a quick 20 lugnut pit stop and let Blizzaks do the rest of the year (when I lived in a cold climate all year). For your use case, DWS06 may be a better overall solution, as you will make up in your mild winter what you sacrifice in performance the rest of the year. You can find this same info on tirerack.com ahead of your purchases. You may find someone near you on this forum interested in relieving you of the slightly used AS3+ at a good price, so you can move on to your preferred setup again.
__________________
2015 228i 6MT/Track Handling/Tech/Cold/Premium/Lighting/Driver Assistance/KCDesign Strut Brace/M2 LCAs/Rogue SSK/BBS SR/PS4S/ER Chargepipe/AA Intercooler/Dinan Shockware/MPerformance Spoiler/Black Grilles/Xpel Ultimate PPF & Prime XR+ Tint/Adam's Ceramic/no CDV
2024 X3 sDrive30i/MSport/Premium/Dynamic Handling/Shadowline/Parking/Xpel Prime XR Plus/Weathertech Cargo Liner
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 11:16 AM   #4
hwntime
Captain
hwntime's Avatar
270
Rep
823
Posts

Drives: F22 Raptor
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportstick View Post
No, not disappointed in the Michelins, and actually the opposite as I have never relied on them for anything close to winter...not their strength. They are my preferred 3 season tire, and then I would stop by the local indy shop associated with Tire Rack for a quick 20 lugnut pit stop and let Blizzaks do the rest of the year (when I lived in a cold climate all year). For your use case, DWS06 may be a better overall solution, as you will make up in your mild winter what you sacrifice in performance the rest of the year. You can find this same info on tirerack.com ahead of your purchases. You may find someone near you on this forum interested in relieving you of the slightly used AS3+ at a good price, so you can move on to your preferred setup again.
I actually did a lot of research leading up to the purchase as I was always happy with the DWS06's in the cold. Most if not all the reviews said the AS3+ was THE best all-seasons (including winter driving) out there so I of course went this route. I'll probably ride these tires out and then go back to Conti's. I'm just disappointed in the Michelin's and not to mention they are SUPER LOUD compared to the DWS06.

This tirerack review has the Michelin come out on top in all categories, including winter driving and noise levels? https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=216
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 11:17 AM   #5
Unicorn123
Second Lieutenant
United_States
187
Rep
255
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235i xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Hartford, CT

iTrader: (0)

Hwn,

I am not familiar with the Michelin's as I have never used them. I have been through several sets of the DWS tires over the years and swear by them for an all season tire. The only tire we had that was in the same league was the Nokian All-Season tire (the designation eludes me) that was snow rated. Interestingly, the tread pattern on the Conti and the Nokian tires was very similar.

Sorry to hear about your experience. Good luck and be safe.
__________________
Current Fleet, 16 F22 M235i xDrive, 15 Audi Q5 3.0 TDI (my Wife's), 07 E85 Z4M Roadster, 01 Toyota Tundra 2wd Long Bed

Retired (a few of them...), 08 E60 550i 6M, 01 Audi S4, 70 Fiat 124, 88 E28 M5, 72 Datsun 510 2Dr, 73 TR6
Appreciate 1
hwntime270.00
      01-07-2019, 11:20 AM   #6
hwntime
Captain
hwntime's Avatar
270
Rep
823
Posts

Drives: F22 Raptor
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unicorn123 View Post
Hwn,

I am not familiar with the Michelin's as I have never used them. I have been through several sets of the DWS tires over the years and swear by them for an all season tire. The only tire we had that was in the same league was the Nokian All-Season tire (the designation eludes me) that was snow rated. Interestingly, the tread pattern on the Conti and the Nokian tires was very similar.

Sorry to hear about your experience. Good luck and be safe.
Stick to the Conti's for all-season! I am seriously shocked at how I was skating all over the roads this morning! If you're on DWS, next set go to the DWS06 as it was a huge improvement over the original DWS, which I also ran before the 06's. Not to mention the DWS06 is much quieter than the DWS and AS3+.
Appreciate 1
      01-07-2019, 11:35 AM   #7
dradernh
Brigadier General
dradernh's Avatar
4179
Rep
3,472
Posts

Drives: 2017 M240i
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hwntime View Post
This tirerack review has the Michelin come out on top in all categories, including winter driving and noise levels? https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=216
This is the updated review, placing the DWS equal to the Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus and at the top in snow and ice testing: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...r.jsp?ttid=230.

If you look at the bar charts, however, the A/S 3+ appears to be the better tire. The discussion of winter performance in the test report doesn't really explain this: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=230.

After looking at these two reports and test results, if I were in the market for this type of tire and focused on snow and ice performance, I'd call the Rack directly and ask someone to advise me on which to choose.
__________________
2017 M240i: 23.6K, MT, Sunroof Delete, 3,432#, EB, Leather, Driving Assistance Package, Heated Front Seats | Sold: E12 530i, E24 M635CSi, E39 520i, E30 325is, E36 M3 (2)
TC Kline Coilovers; H&R Front Bar; Wavetrac; Al Subframe Bushings; 18X9/9½ ARC-8s; 255/35-18 PS4S (4); Dinan Elite V2 & CAI; MPerf Orange BBK; Schroth Quick Fit Pro;
GTechniq Crystal Serum Ultra Ceramic; Suntek PPF
Appreciate 1
hwntime270.00
      01-07-2019, 11:41 AM   #8
petegtsv10
Private First Class
74
Rep
148
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235i convertible
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Adams, TN

iTrader: (0)

With your very few snow days per year, it sounds similar to what we have here in mid-TN. With maybe 5 snow days (that's on the high side) per year, that leaves 360 days without winter conditions. My AS3+ purchase was based on the 360 days, not the 5. I am very happy with the non-snow characteristics of the Michelin. It is grippy, quiet and responsive. I loved the MPSS and wanted to keep a similar feel while having at least minor snow capabilities. The M235 is our daily driver.
__________________
2016 M235i convertible
2016 Mercedes AMG GTS
1966 Corvette roadster
Appreciate 3
hwntime270.00
AndrewC198910903.50
M Smurf156.50
      01-07-2019, 11:42 AM   #9
Sportstick
Major General
Sportstick's Avatar
4606
Rep
5,980
Posts

Drives: '15 228i and '24 X3 sDrive30i
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Southwest USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hwntime View Post
I actually did a lot of research leading up to the purchase as I was always happy with the DWS06's in the cold. Most if not all the reviews said the AS3+ was THE best all-seasons (including winter driving) out there so I of course went this route. I'll probably ride these tires out and then go back to Conti's. I'm just disappointed in the Michelin's and not to mention they are SUPER LOUD compared to the DWS06.

This tirerack review has the Michelin come out on top in all categories, including winter driving and noise levels? https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=216
The softness which helps with DWS06 cold/snow/ice superiority also allows for a quieter tire versus the AS3+. I'm not sure if we're all looking at the same information on tirerack.com. Here are two charts which show the relative difference in performance on snow/ice.
Attached Images
  
__________________
2015 228i 6MT/Track Handling/Tech/Cold/Premium/Lighting/Driver Assistance/KCDesign Strut Brace/M2 LCAs/Rogue SSK/BBS SR/PS4S/ER Chargepipe/AA Intercooler/Dinan Shockware/MPerformance Spoiler/Black Grilles/Xpel Ultimate PPF & Prime XR+ Tint/Adam's Ceramic/no CDV
2024 X3 sDrive30i/MSport/Premium/Dynamic Handling/Shadowline/Parking/Xpel Prime XR Plus/Weathertech Cargo Liner
Appreciate 2
      01-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #10
petegtsv10
Private First Class
74
Rep
148
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235i convertible
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Adams, TN

iTrader: (0)

The TireRack test noted the Conti was the least performance oriented and the Michelin was the most. (Conti lacking in dry handling and steering response) For my 360 non-snow days a year, I chose the Michelin over the Conti.
__________________
2016 M235i convertible
2016 Mercedes AMG GTS
1966 Corvette roadster
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #11
dradernh
Brigadier General
dradernh's Avatar
4179
Rep
3,472
Posts

Drives: 2017 M240i
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportstick View Post
The softness which helps with DWS06 cold/snow/ice superiority also allows for a quieter tire versus the AS3+. I'm not sure if we're all looking at the same information on tirerack.com. Here are two charts which show the relative difference in performance on snow/ice.
You're showing the current, updated comparison test results (ttid=230).

We prefer quieter tires, and that's why we put the Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus on the wife's Mazda 3. She has Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3s for winter driving (assuming we have a winter this year).
__________________
2017 M240i: 23.6K, MT, Sunroof Delete, 3,432#, EB, Leather, Driving Assistance Package, Heated Front Seats | Sold: E12 530i, E24 M635CSi, E39 520i, E30 325is, E36 M3 (2)
TC Kline Coilovers; H&R Front Bar; Wavetrac; Al Subframe Bushings; 18X9/9½ ARC-8s; 255/35-18 PS4S (4); Dinan Elite V2 & CAI; MPerf Orange BBK; Schroth Quick Fit Pro;
GTechniq Crystal Serum Ultra Ceramic; Suntek PPF
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 12:07 PM   #12
hwntime
Captain
hwntime's Avatar
270
Rep
823
Posts

Drives: F22 Raptor
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by petegtsv10 View Post
With your very few snow days per year, it sounds similar to what we have here in mid-TN. With maybe 5 snow days (that's on the high side) per year, that leaves 360 days without winter conditions. My AS3+ purchase was based on the 360 days, not the 5. I am very happy with the non-snow characteristics of the Michelin. It is grippy, quiet and responsive. I loved the MPSS and wanted to keep a similar feel while having at least minor snow capabilities. The M235 is our daily driver.
Quiet? Good lord, these are some of the loudest tires I've ever had! Trust me, DWS06 and even the OEM RFT's are WAY quieter than the AS3+. Even in previous posts when I first got the AS3+ a few months back, I was complaining about how loud they are.
Appreciate 1
      01-07-2019, 12:25 PM   #13
Unicorn123
Second Lieutenant
United_States
187
Rep
255
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235i xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Hartford, CT

iTrader: (0)

Stick, cool data. Thanks.

Hwn, FWIW I drove last year in my 550i (RWD, no LSD) 6M the entire Connecticut winter on DWS06 tires. No issues in the snow, with one exception where I was overzealous with the throttle (easy to do with that car); no harm, no foul. Reminded me to be smooth with my inputs!

My only gripe with the DWS tires was that once they wore down a bit, their snow traction diminished pretty dramatically, which made me change them out at ~30K to be safe. On the 550i, this was especially true for the rears which for some reason, I wore out rather quickly...LOL. The DWS in general is a pretty hard tire so it can last a long time.

We probably have put 200-300K mikes on these between my wife (A6 and Allroad), Son's (A6 6M) and my cars and I am waiting for the new set of Bridgestone Dueler's on my wife's X5 to wear out so I can replace these with DWS's.

Regarding noise, I always considered the DWS to be fairly quiet, but I do not have much to compare them to...
__________________
Current Fleet, 16 F22 M235i xDrive, 15 Audi Q5 3.0 TDI (my Wife's), 07 E85 Z4M Roadster, 01 Toyota Tundra 2wd Long Bed

Retired (a few of them...), 08 E60 550i 6M, 01 Audi S4, 70 Fiat 124, 88 E28 M5, 72 Datsun 510 2Dr, 73 TR6

Last edited by Unicorn123; 01-07-2019 at 12:29 PM.. Reason: Poor sentence order by author...
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 12:39 PM   #14
dradernh
Brigadier General
dradernh's Avatar
4179
Rep
3,472
Posts

Drives: 2017 M240i
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unicorn123 View Post
My only gripe with the DWS tires was that once they wore down a bit, their snow traction diminished pretty dramatically, which made me change them out at ~30K to be safe.
For this reason, we change our snow tires out at 6/32nds.
__________________
2017 M240i: 23.6K, MT, Sunroof Delete, 3,432#, EB, Leather, Driving Assistance Package, Heated Front Seats | Sold: E12 530i, E24 M635CSi, E39 520i, E30 325is, E36 M3 (2)
TC Kline Coilovers; H&R Front Bar; Wavetrac; Al Subframe Bushings; 18X9/9½ ARC-8s; 255/35-18 PS4S (4); Dinan Elite V2 & CAI; MPerf Orange BBK; Schroth Quick Fit Pro;
GTechniq Crystal Serum Ultra Ceramic; Suntek PPF
Appreciate 2
      01-07-2019, 12:44 PM   #15
hwntime
Captain
hwntime's Avatar
270
Rep
823
Posts

Drives: F22 Raptor
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unicorn123 View Post
Stick, cool data. Thanks.

Hwn, FWIW I drove last year in my 550i (RWD, no LSD) 6M the entire Connecticut winter on DWS06 tires. No issues in the snow, with one exception where I was overzealous with the throttle (easy to do with that car); no harm, no foul. Reminded me to be smooth with my inputs!

My only gripe with the DWS tires was that once they wore down a bit, their snow traction diminished pretty dramatically, which made me change them out at ~30K to be safe. On the 550i, this was especially true for the rears which for some reason, I wore out rather quickly...LOL. The DWS in general is a pretty hard tire so it can last a long time.

We probably have put 200-300K mikes on these between my wife (A6 and Allroad), Son's (A6 6M) and my cars and I am waiting for the new set of Bridgestone Dueler's on my wife's X5 to wear out so I can replace these with DWS's.

Regarding noise, I always considered the DWS to be fairly quiet, but I do not have much to compare them to...
Same here, I got 32k on my first set of DWS06 and 36k on my second set. They are pretty quiet compared to most tires, and are way quieter than the AS3+. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right? Unfortunately, I went with the Michelin's this go 'round and regret it. I'll definitely be going back to Conti's once I'm due for a new set.
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 01:12 PM   #16
skeeedunt
Private
17
Rep
52
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235i
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: CA, USA

iTrader: (0)

We get no snow here, just cold nights, so I went with the A/S 3+ when I wore out my PSS. They seem to work fine for my needs, but I was shocked at how much louder they seemed than the PSS. I read and was expecting the opposite. Odd how this seems to be such a subjective thing...
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 01:19 PM   #17
hwntime
Captain
hwntime's Avatar
270
Rep
823
Posts

Drives: F22 Raptor
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PNW

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeedunt View Post
We get no snow here, just cold nights, so I went with the A/S 3+ when I wore out my PSS. They seem to work fine for my needs, but I was shocked at how much louder they seemed than the PSS. I read and was expecting the opposite. Odd how this seems to be such a subjective thing...
Definitely not subjective. They are downright loud! Definitely louder than DSW06 and OEM Bridgestone RFT's for sure. They are some of the loudest tires I've ever had and I would compare them to Firestone Firehawk Indy 500's and some cheapy Federal tires (forgot which model) I had many years back.
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 01:40 PM   #18
rich8566
Major
rich8566's Avatar
United_States
609
Rep
1,124
Posts

Drives: M2 + Z-4
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW M235i  [0.00]
We have Michelin Pilot AS3+ tires on my wife's SAV. Overall they are very good tires, however, they are not snow tires. I almost put her car into a ditch on a snow covered road. Felt like zero traction to me. Very nervous road feel in the snow. My rear wheel drive M2 is awesome in the snow with Michelin Alpine PA4 snow tires on all four corners. As long as I have enough ground clearance the car is unstoppable in the snow.
__________________
Current: 2017 ///M2 manual 2004 E85 Z-4 manual
Appreciate 0
      01-07-2019, 02:48 PM   #19
Unicorn123
Second Lieutenant
United_States
187
Rep
255
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235i xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Hartford, CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dradernh View Post
For this reason, we change our snow tires out at 6/32nds.
drader, very good practice...and good advice for us all! As has been previously discussed on the forum, tires are the only thing keeping us attached to the road. Best to be sure they are in good order. As a veteran of many upstate NY winters, tires and batteries...never scrimp, if you have the means. The downside is not desirable.
__________________
Current Fleet, 16 F22 M235i xDrive, 15 Audi Q5 3.0 TDI (my Wife's), 07 E85 Z4M Roadster, 01 Toyota Tundra 2wd Long Bed

Retired (a few of them...), 08 E60 550i 6M, 01 Audi S4, 70 Fiat 124, 88 E28 M5, 72 Datsun 510 2Dr, 73 TR6
Appreciate 1
Sportstick4605.50
      01-07-2019, 02:57 PM   #20
XutvJet
Major General
5490
Rep
5,339
Posts

Drives: 2011 Cayman Base, 2016 M235
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Kansas City

iTrader: (-1)

While I've never owned the AS3+, your experience sounds comparable to the Bridgestone Potenza re970as I had on my 2012 WRX. Those tires were billed as performance all seasons and they were shockingly good handlers, BUT my God they were terrible in the snow. My WRX could barely turn or stop. That was when I learned that if a performance all season has excellent warm weather performance, then it's cold/winter/snow performance will be terrible. I went to DWS06 for my winter tires the next season and my WRX was a snow cat. The DWS06 did really good in 20 to 70 degree weather. Once the temps went above 70, they got pretty mushy. In the 35-50 degree weather, they were stellar in the dry and wet. They wore well and were quiet. They're also pretty light for a tire.

When I got my M235, I went with winter performance Michelin Alpin PA4s. These tires are KILLER in the 10 to 30 degree temps and in light snow, BUT they're handling and braking limits in the dry are much lower than the DWS06. We only have maybe 5 to 8 days a year in Kansas City where there's measurable snow on the roads 2 hours after a snow event. The PA4s wear fast and are unsporting looking. I also don't need to drive in the snow. When the PA4s wear out, I'm going back to DWS06s.
__________________
The forest was shrinking, but the Trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
Appreciate 2
hwntime270.00
      01-07-2019, 03:22 PM   #21
bimmerfile
Colonel
bimmerfile's Avatar
621
Rep
2,069
Posts

Drives: 2019 BMW X2 F39
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: GTA, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hwntime View Post
Quiet? Good lord, these are some of the loudest tires I've ever had! Trust me, DWS06 and even the OEM RFT's are WAY quieter than the AS3+. Even in previous posts when I first got the AS3+ a few months back, I was complaining about how loud they are.
That has certainly not been my experience. I put a staggered set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ on my 2018 M240xi ragtop last Sept and have not found them any louder than the any of the OEM tires which came with any of my previous 5 BMWs.
I've been pleased with the improved ride that these MPS A/S 3+ provide.
__________________
2019 X2
Appreciate 0
      01-08-2019, 04:53 AM   #22
Luftwaffe1O1
Lieutenant
230
Rep
555
Posts

Drives: M235i, 2000 Z3
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (0)

I ran dws06 on my z3 for a bit, man i loved the wet traction of that tire... i dont know what wizardry they did but it was magic.
Appreciate 1
hwntime270.00
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:05 AM.




2addicts
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST