harmon kardon question

darkerosxx · 03-14-2014, 01:11 PM

What. The. Hell.

What's advertised is "...surround sound audio system uses vehicle-specific equalizing...". What you get is extra speakers and nothing more.

Are you 100% sure there isn't a single menu in there that accesses any more functions? I'm not second-guessing you, just double-checking the source. I wish we had access to a PDF version of the owner's manual.

If this is the case, BMW is not giving what you're paying for in this H/K package.

golf4501 · 03-14-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by darkerosxx

What. The. Hell.

What's advertised is "...surround sound audio system uses vehicle-specific equalizing...". What you get is extra speakers and nothing more.

Are you 100% sure there isn't a single menu in there that accesses any more functions? I'm not second-guessing you, just double-checking the source. I wish we had access to a PDF version of the owner's manual.

If this is the case, BMW is not giving what you're paying for in this H/K package.

I plan to read the manuals this weekend to see if I can find anything, but so far that's all I see. My CA called me earlier and confirmed it as well, based on another 235 they sold. The iDrive stuff I have seen so far all looks pretty simple. I know someone posted a HP/torque curve graph from the display, but not sure if I have that either (I didn't get Technology Package).

Bahuba · 03-14-2014, 04:57 PM

That does seem odd. Hopefully a s/w update will address this.

jrstech · 03-14-2014, 07:04 PM

Seems quite weak without the rear seat side panel speakers and no EQ. Sound is nice but overpriced for the M235. 335i same price for HK has more speakers and I believe the EQ.

darkerosxx · 03-14-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jrstech

Seems quite weak without the rear seat side panel speakers and no EQ. Sound is nice but overpriced for the M235. 335i same price for HK has more speakers and I believe the EQ.

They're supposed to both have 16 speakers and 600W amp. Supposed to.

jrstech · 03-14-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darkerosxx

They're supposed to both have 16 speakers and 600W amp. Supposed to.

False advertising! Four on the rear shelf, four on the doors/pillars, two subs under seats & two in center dash = 12 speakers.

jrstech · 03-15-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by golf4501

I plan to read the manuals this weekend to see if I can find anything, but so far that's all I see. My CA called me earlier and confirmed it as well, based on another 235 they sold. The iDrive stuff I have seen so far all looks pretty simple. I know someone posted a HP/torque curve graph from the display, but not sure if I have that either (I didn't get Technology Package).

It is clearly shown in the manual that there is an EQ but it look like its been omitted.

note46 · 03-15-2014, 04:30 PM

Hmm interesting. My 2010 335d with Harmon kardon has L7 tuning and eq settings. My 2012 X5d also with Harmon kardon does not have L7 but has eq setting under tones. Same price for the option in both cars. I wonder if BMW pulled another fast one and changed the option. If so that's a shame.

golf4501 · 03-16-2014, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by note46

Hmm interesting. My 2010 335d with Harmon kardon has L7 tuning and eq settings. My 2012 X5d also with Harmon kardon does not have L7 but has eq setting under tones. Same price for the option in both cars. I wonder if BMW pulled another fast one and changed the option. If so that's a shame.

Got around to looking at my manual last night and they have a picture of the Tone screen and it shows a L7 option. Probably going to call BMW and see what is up with this.

jrstech · 03-16-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by golf4501

Got around to looking at my manual last night and they have a picture of the Tone screen and it shows a L7 option. Probably going to call BMW and see what is up with this.

I spoke to a BMW engineer who happened to be at my dealer and he was quite surprised as I was to discover the HK system being somewhat crippled in features compared to other HK systems. He's in touch with BMW and hopes to have some answers for me tomorrow.

golf4501 · 03-16-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jrstech

I spoke to a BMW engineer who happened to be at my dealer and he was quite surprised as I was to discover the HK system being somewhat crippled in features compared to other HK systems. He's in touch with BMW and hopes to have some answers for me tomorrow.

Awesome! I'll await your post on it.

note46 · 03-16-2014, 12:39 PM

I hope the news is good! I have to say there is a night and day difference between HK with L7 and HK without L7. Hopefully they can enable L7.. unless it has a hardware requirement.

jrstech · 03-16-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by note46

I hope the news is good! I have to say there is a night and day difference between HK with L7 and HK without L7. Hopefully they can enable L7.. unless it has a hardware requirement.

I agree, otherwise I wouldn't pay $875 just for upgraded speakers. If there is no fix my sales guy is going to request some kind of credit to me. BMW clearly messed up on the HK specs on the system for the M235, namely the 12 speakers instead of the 16 its advertised with.

tccox · 03-16-2014, 01:27 PM

How many speakers in the standard system ?

jrstech · 03-16-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tccox

How many speakers in the standard system ?

I believe there are 7 (2 doors, 2 rear deck, 2 subs and 1 mid in dash)

tccox · 03-16-2014, 03:31 PM

Just dashed off a e mail to BMW genius requesting clarification on the 12 vs 16 issue. My 128 has 12.

th1rd3y3 · 03-16-2014, 08:13 PM

Subscribing to this, my 235 with HK is on the way. Going to be pretty pissed if I paid extra for a couple speakers.

golf4501 · 03-16-2014, 08:24 PM

Lot's hope there are enough of us that so they may listen.

siegester · 03-16-2014, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jrstech

I believe there are 7 (2 doors, 2 rear deck, 2 subs and 1 mid in dash)

Most of these are dual cone speakers which is basically 2 in 1 (a mid with a tweeter mounted in the center). With the exception of the subs of course.

YMB-M3-J2 · 03-17-2014, 08:49 PM

so to help you out a bit on the EQ. I have a 2012 328i with the tech package and HK. I didnt have this either at first until i activated it via E-sys coding. Now i have all of the options and even have the L7 slider.

Im really hoping you report back that the M235 has the L7 at least. I know i can turn on the EQ via coding so not really worried about that..

hope that helps.

golf4501 · 03-18-2014, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bmw328jc

so to help you out a bit on the EQ. I have a 2012 328i with the tech package and HK. I didnt have this either at first until i activated it via E-sys coding. Now i have all of the options and even have the L7 slider.

Im really hoping you report back that the M235 has the L7 at least. I know i can turn on the EQ via coding so not really worried about that..

hope that helps.

The key here might be that you have the Tech package. I have Harmon Kardon without the tech package, as do a few others that posted in this thread. So we are looking for both L7 and EQ without the Tech Package.

jrstech · 03-18-2014, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by golf4501

The key here might be that you have the Tech package. I have Harmon Kardon without the tech package, as do a few others that posted in this thread. So we are looking for both L7 and EQ without the Tech Package.

I have the tech package and there is no EQ or L7.

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jrstech Lieutenant 78 Rep 449 Posts Drives: '21 M550 Join Date: May 2008 Location: So Fla iTrader: (7)	Seems quite weak without the rear seat side panel speakers and no EQ. Sound is nice but overpriced for the M235. 335i same price for HK has more speakers and I believe the EQ. __________________ '17 F80 (RET) '14 F22 M235i (RET) '11 E90 335i (RET) '07 E92 335i (RET) '89 E30 M3 (RET)
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note46 Lieutenant 254 Rep 436 Posts Drives: M Coupe, 328d SW, i4 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Bay iTrader: (1)	Hmm interesting. My 2010 335d with Harmon kardon has L7 tuning and eq settings. My 2012 X5d also with Harmon kardon does not have L7 but has eq setting under tones. Same price for the option in both cars. I wonder if BMW pulled another fast one and changed the option. If so that's a shame.
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note46 Lieutenant 254 Rep 436 Posts Drives: M Coupe, 328d SW, i4 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Bay iTrader: (1)	I hope the news is good! I have to say there is a night and day difference between HK with L7 and HK without L7. Hopefully they can enable L7.. unless it has a hardware requirement.
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th1rd3y3 Private First Class 31 Rep 199 Posts Drives: '20 M340i xDrive Join Date: May 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Subscribing to this, my 235 with HK is on the way. Going to be pretty pissed if I paid extra for a couple speakers.
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YMB-M3-J2 Major 258 Rep 1,309 Posts Drives: YMB M3 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Florida iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 BMW X6M [0.00] 2018 BMW M3 [0.00] 2015 BMW X4 35i [0.00] 2015 BMW M4 (SOLD) [0.00] 2012 BMW 328i SL(SOLD) [0.00] 2008 BMW 328i (SOLD) [0.00] 2007 C230 Komp (SOLD) [0.00] 1999 BMW 328i (SOLD) [0.00]	so to help you out a bit on the EQ. I have a 2012 328i with the tech package and HK. I didnt have this either at first until i activated it via E-sys coding. Now i have all of the options and even have the L7 slider. Im really hoping you report back that the M235 has the L7 at least. I know i can turn on the EQ via coding so not really worried about that.. hope that helps.
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