[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

You so called "Dilution"
Started 41 years ago back in 1979 with the E12 M535i, predecessor of the 1984-1988 E28 M5:

I forgot to add the E46 M3 Comp pkg.

My point is the M's have been diluted upwards for almost 20 years.

[F82Racer]

Originally Posted by drF80

Actually, there is.
The dealer can install the M Performance exhaust and engine pieces...
https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-torque-206371

It may have evolved into something else with the G20 platform, however, it does not make it an M car. G80 will again be a huge jump over that G20MP just like F80 was over my F30 + MP

Yes that's M performance package, but the factory tuned M340i, is not really just adding 20hp and exhaust sound kit - do your research.

Been driving my 435i + MPPSK, F82 M4 for years, also drove a friend's M340i multiple times(thanks him for allowing me pushing it), I could say that for performance and handling the M340i is no joke with it's factory LSD, much better than my 435i, and close to my M4. If you think M340i is not capable, you should test drive it.

Looking at the huge jump from current 340i to M340i, I have very good faith of the G80/82 performance with the S58 engine.

[babaikram]

Originally Posted by F82Racer

Yes that's M performance package, but the factory tuned M340i, is not really just adding 20hp and exhaust sound kit - do your research.

Been driving my 435i + MPPSK, F82 M4 for years, also drove a friend's M340i multiple times(thanks him for allowing me pushing it), I could say that for performance and handling the M340i is no joke with it's factory LSD, much better than my 435i, and close to my M4. If you think M340i is not capable, you should test drive it.

Looking at the huge jump from current 340i to M340i, I have very good faith of the G80/82 performance with the S58 engine.

One of the simplest ways to look at it is that the performance gap between M performance cars and non M performance cars in a series is wider than the performance gap between a full M and M performance cars. So M performance cars are close to full M cars than to other cars in the series

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by babaikram

One of the simplest ways to look at it is that the performance gap between M performance cars and non M performance cars in a series is wider than the performance gap between a full M and M performance cars. So M performance cars are close to full M cars than to other cars in the series

I like that assessment.

I also like the top article in the news feed today that the B58 is a winner of Ward's 10 best engines 2020.

[Professor///M]

My M550... NOT an M car.

Doesn't sound like one
Doesn't handle like one
Has power like one.
Looks like one at a first glance
Looks like one mostly on the inside.

I turned in my F80 M3 comp because it was too much of an M car and not a good daily driver where I live.

M inspired cars put a smile on your face. M cars put an ear to ear shit eating grin.

[dezzracer]

I know what I have and BMW knows what I have. A true M. I don't see Ford slapping SVT and Cobra badges or snakes on lesser cars. Nor does does Dodge slap SRT on lesser cars. Now if BMW starts putting a CS badge behind every M I will be pissed. Lol

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

My M550... NOT an M car.

Doesn't sound like one
Doesn't handle like one
Has power like one.
Looks like one at a first glance
Looks like one mostly on the inside.

I turned in my F80 M3 comp because it was too much of an M car and not a good daily driver where I live.

M inspired cars put a smile on your face. M cars put an ear to ear shit eating grin.

Lol a day late and a dollar short bro.

You're missing the whole point that BMW GmbH anointed these cars and that it's a class battle between the German manufacturers and their performance specifications:

M340i > S4 > AMGC43 and so on.

M4 > RS5 > AMGC63 and so on.

[cbertels]

Originally Posted by f80er

Tell us where the bad M car touched you.

Based on his posts he's gonna need some therapy for a while. The big bad ///M sure has him triggered.

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

I know what I have and BMW knows what I have. A true M. I don't see Ford slapping SVT and Cobra badges or snakes on lesser cars. Nor does does Dodge slap SRT on lesser cars. Now if BMW starts putting a CS badge behind every M I will be pissed. Lol

Sure they are, there's like 10 Mustang Performance versions of the car now, GT, Shelby GT350, GT500, GTR350R, Bullit, etc. ::yawn::

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by cbertels

Based on his posts he's gonna need some therapy for a while. The big bad ///M sure has him triggered.

Nowhere, love the M cars, and love educating you ///M fairies with deep pockets who know nothing about BMW mechanics and engineering.

I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me why the specifications of a "true" ///M is light years beyond a track rated M340i? 30 pages and nothing, just feel, essence, perception and "bespoke" lol. Is it the 3rd party manufacturer parts? Or because it has 3 buttons that make you "feel" like it's a Porsche cockpit that A) "electronically" tightens the steering wheel B) Changes the dampening and rebound on the average M3 coilovers or maybe it's C) the Sport+ that really gets you hard as it flashes across the digital cockpit that just changes the gear ratios and turns off DTC.

[GerryM5]

Salty. I guess that made you feel better.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Sure they are, there's like 10 Mustang Performance versions of the car now, GT, Shelby GT350, GT500, GTR350R, Bullit, etc. ::yawn::

Yes the Mustang has many different variants, but I don't think the argument of badge slapping really applies to the models you listed.

Regarding the Mustang Mach-E or vehicles like the Edge and Explorer ST, 100% yes, a lot of that is just badge slapping - especially since the Edge ST is very much the same as the previously named Edge Sport.

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Yes the Mustang has many different variants, but I don't think the argument of badge slapping really applies to the models you listed.

Regarding the Mustang Mach-E or vehicles like the Edge and Explorer ST, 100% yes, a lot of that is just badge slapping - especially since the Edge ST is very much the same as the previously named Edge Sport.

We are talking about race or performance cars. What other Ford performance line is there other than the Mustang i.e. Cobra & SVT?

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Sure they are, there's like 10 Mustang Performance versions of the car now, GT, Shelby GT350, GT500, GTR350R, Bullit, etc. ::yawn::

I get it, but I was referring to Ford in general and marketing their top performance halo badge. I have not seen "Cobra" or a snake badge on anything but the top of the performance heap Mustang. Certainly not on their trucks or SUV's. I realize there is a ton of Mustang versions out there. Everyone and their brother has come up with one but I compare Fords Cobra Snake badge to BMW's M badge. It should be reserved for the top spot only.

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

I get it, but I was referring to Ford in general and marketing their top performance halo badge. I have not seen a "Cobra" or a snake badge on anything but the top of the performance heap Mustang. Certainly not on their trucks or SUV's. I realize there is a ton of Mustang versions out there. Everyone and their brother has come up with one but I compare Fords Cobra Snake badge to BMW's M badge. It should be reserved for the top spot only.

No but I do see M on SUV's such as the X5M Competition, X3M Comp, X6M Comp that are indeed true M cars.

And what or which is top spot then, is it SVT, Cobra or Shelby? I am not sure, however I easily know who's top dog with the M monikers.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Nowhere, love the M cars, and love educating you ///M fairies with deep pockets who know nothing about BMW mechanics and engineering.

I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me why the specifications of a "true" ///M is light years beyond a track rated M340i? 30 pages and nothing, just feel, essence, perception and "bespoke" lol. Is it the 3rd party manufacturer parts? Or because it has 3 buttons that make it "feel" like a Porsche cockpit that A) "electronically" tightens the steering wheel B) Changes the dampening and rebound on the average M3 coilovers or maybe it's C) the Sport+ that really gets you hard as it flashes across the digital cockpit that just changes the gear ratios and turns off DTC.

If your an engineer that is going to educate us M fairies maybe you should educate yourself first. Engaging sport plus mode does not change the gear ratios nor does it turn off DTC

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

We are talking about race or performance cars. What other Ford performance line is there other than the Mustang i.e. Cobra & SVT?

Dezzracer had stated Ford doesn't put its cobra, svt, etc. on lesser cars to which you replied that they are because of all the different Mustang variants. That is the statement as to which I was replying to, saying that while there are some different variants of Mustangs, I agree with Dezzracer as only the actual high performance and bespoke models like say a GT350 or GT500 are getting those badges. Nowhere do you see a non Shelby vehicle wear the cobra badge. That is what I was referring to.

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

If your an engineer that is going to educate us and fairies maybe you should educate yourself first. Engaging sport plus mode does not change the gear ratios nor does it turn off DTC

Lol oh sorry it just does all 4 things I mentioned and throttle mapping all at once with a single button. "M mode yeah 😎" ::balls just got bigger::

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Dezzracer had stated Ford doesn't put its cobra, svt, etc. on lesser cars to which you replied that they are because of all the different Mustang variants. That is the statement as to which I was replying to, saying that while there are some different variants of Mustangs, I agree with Dezzracer as only the actual high performance and bespoke models like say a GT350 or GT500 are getting those badges. Nowhere do you see a non Shelby vehicle wear the cobra badge. That is what I was referring to.

But there are two versions, actually 3 versions of the ShelbyGT***, which one is top dog? If it was bespoke it should be just Shelby Mustang. Anyways as my first comment on this thread was, who cares...

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

But there are two versions, actually 3 versions of the ShelbyGT***, which one is top dog? Who cares...

The GT500 will always be "top dog". IMO of course. The 2020 MY performance is ridiculous. Would love to have one but not giving up my German hot rod.

https://www.motor1.com/news/363394/m...mance-details/

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

But there are two versions, actually 3 versions of the ShelbyGT***, which one is top dog? Who cares...

Your replies are somewhat confusing, Dezzracer and I weren't talking about brand positioning of the three shelby vehicles or which is the "top dog" we were specifically referring to badging outside of the performance division.

The GT500 is the top of the line, although the 350 and 500 serve different purposes, but some argue the GT350 to be more fun as a road car due to the manual transmission, higher redline from the NA engine, and better steering feel.

[Tazmn Jr]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

Nowhere, love the M cars, and love educating you ///M fairies with deep pockets who know nothing about BMW mechanics and engineering.

I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me why the specifications of a "true" ///M is light years beyond a track rated M340i? 30 pages and nothing, just feel, essence, perception and "bespoke" lol. Is it the 3rd party manufacturer parts? Or because it has 3 buttons that make you "feel" like a it's Porsche cockpit that A) "electronically" tightens the steering wheel B) Changes the dampening and rebound on the average M3 coilovers or maybe it's C) the Sport+ that really gets you hard as it flashes across the digital cockpit that just changes the gear ratios and turns off DTC.

Enjoy your car and dont worry about the car you didnt buy is my motto. There is no reason to validate your purchase in this forum. We get it....you didnt buy an M car for whatever reason but there is no reason to express your unhappiness with M owners who dont see things like you do.

They spent the extra coin to own an M car and you didnt. All consumers should feel a satisfaction for what they buy. Even M owners. What's wrong with that?