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      05-04-2020, 11:39 PM   #1
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Question First Time BMW Owner...Modding Questions

Hi all, I'm brand new to the forum. I just picked up my first BMW a 2016 BMW 228i RWD 8AT a little over two months ago and now has 37.1k miles. I didn't know there were two different engines until after purchasing unfortunately I ended up with the N26 and realized the possibility of modding is a lot more limited than the N20. I'm not planning on racing or tracking my car or doing anything too crazy this time around. I live in California and most aftermarket parts are illegal and I'm no longer able to work on my own car anymore and I leased a car for 4 years so not sure about hot smogs anymore and would rather not have to deal with them in the future.

I currently only changed the iDrive head display to a 10.25" Android display and while still trying to fix poor MPG put in a K&N drop in filter and PEA Fuel Injector cleaner through the gas tank. I just ordered the Bootmod3 Stage 1 OTS and I'm hopping not to go past stage 1 this time. Also wondering about the risks of the TCU tune increasing the torque limits on third and sixth gear. I've had many other modified cars in the past, but this being my first BMW and trying to look stock, I had some questions.


1. Do I need to run colder spark plugs on a Stage 1 BM3 tune with just a drop in filter?

2. How necessary is it to upgrade the charge pipe with a Stage 1 BM3 tune?
I haven't found much information on how much the stock boost PSI is and how much BM3 raises it too.

3. How noticeable the VRSF charge pipe is installed, I can't find any pictures and I'm wondering how obvious is the bung when installed that would cause a visual test to fail in California?

4. How much risk is their raising the torque limiters on third and sixth gear with BM3?


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Hi all, I'm brand new to the forum. I just picked up my first BMW a 2016 BMW 228i RWD 8AT a little over two months ago and now has 37.1k miles. I didn't know there were two different engines until after purchasing unfortunately I ended up with the N26 and realized the possibility of modding is a lot more limited than the N20. I'm not planning on racing or tracking my car or doing anything too crazy this time around. I live in California and most aftermarket parts are illegal and I'm no longer able to work on my own car anymore and I leased a car for 4 years so not sure about hot smogs anymore and would rather not have to deal with them in the future.

I currently only changed the iDrive head display to a 10.25" Android display and while still trying to fix poor MPG put in a K&N drop in filter and PEA Fuel Injector cleaner through the gas tank. I just ordered the Bootmod3 Stage 1 OTS and I'm hopping not to go past stage 1 this time. Also wondering about the risks of the TCU tune increasing the torque limits on third and sixth gear. I've had many other modified cars in the past, but this being my first BMW and trying to look stock, I had some questions.


1. Do I need to run colder spark plugs on a Stage 1 BM3 tune with just a drop in filter?

2. How necessary is it to upgrade the charge pipe with a Stage 1 BM3 tune?
I haven't found much information on how much the stock boost PSI is and how much BM3 raises it too.

3. How noticeable the VRSF charge pipe is installed, I can't find any pictures and I'm wondering how obvious is the bung when installed that would cause a visual test to fail in California?

4. How much risk is their raising the torque limiters on third and sixth gear with BM3?

1- datalog and send it to PTF, they'll let you know how your plugs are doing

2- I recommend upgrading the charge pipe with any stage

3- Not familiar with CA laws, but the charge pipe can easily be seen

4- You do not have anything to worry about as long as you are running the recommended maps for your mods
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      05-05-2020, 06:17 PM   #3
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1- datalog and send it to PTF, they'll let you know how your plugs are doing

2- I recommend upgrading the charge pipe with any stage

3- Not familiar with CA laws, but the charge pipe can easily be seen

4- You do not have anything to worry about as long as you are running the recommended maps for your mods
Thanks, and basically California sucks not just for car enthusiasts, but also anyone who would choose to or want to upgrade/replace certain plastic parts known to fail with parts constructed from higher quality metal. Basically anything pre-cat needs a C.A.R.B number and after the cat, exhaust noise has to be under 95 DBs.

I've actually got away with visual tests with a HFC and had an upgraded DV, and upgraded turbo from a higher model and a Stage 2 tune and a few other things in my car and still passed smog. But, California says anything that they think will change emissions needs to be approved by the California Air and Resources Board.

A visual check is basically looking under the hood for mods and seeing if it has a C.A.R.B sticker or E.0. number legalizing the part for California street use, and some places actually look up the number before even running a smog test if the numbers don't work or they're aren't any E.O. numbers and if the smog tech just thinks it needs a E.O. even if it doesn't they can fail you and refuse to smog your car, and they can just take your money and not do the test and say you failed the visual.
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I could counter and say maybe it's the manufacturers who suck. Why they couldn't get some of these products CARB approved is beyond me especially when they are dealing in the biggest marketplace in the US. However, it is a little frustrating when you read about the bolt-ons and tunes other members are adding and we are stuck with piggyback solutions we can unplug when getting a smog check.
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      05-08-2020, 03:43 PM   #5
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On the bright side, it saves you the money on a mod that isn't really either necessary or beneficial. In the unlikely event that you bust a pipe, the new replacements will probably last another 40k, and until you start really pushing the tune and adding parts, they won't make any more power.
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I could counter and say maybe it's the manufacturers who suck. Why they couldn't get some of these products CARB approved is beyond me especially when they are dealing in the biggest marketplace in the US. However, it is a little frustrating when you read about the bolt-ons and tunes other members are adding and we are stuck with piggyback solutions we can unplug when getting a smog check.
So from years of modifying every car I've owned, what I read and heard was that many aftermarket parts are considered 49 state legal or 48 state legal, if it's illegal in 1 state, that state is CA and if it's illegal in 2 the 2nd state is NY. From what I've read is that manufacturers have to do a lot of testing and then present their product to try to get it CARB approved and they have to pay to get the EO number, and supposedly that's the reason why many aftermarket parts are not CA legal. I've modified 8 out of the 10 cars I've owned, only because 2 were leased, all tunes and performance mods weren't California legal except technically 1 out of 3 parts that had CARB numbers.

Products sold in California with CARB numbers even for your vehicle may still not be street legal. For example I have a 2016 N26 and Dinan's stage 1 is CARB legal but only up to 2015, but advertise it as CARB legal, but look up their EO number and it doesn't match my car. Some CARB numbers are also revoked so you could buy something that is or was CARB legal at some point. I actually went somewhere and the guy actually looked up the number and said if I come back he'll have to look it up again to make sure it's still legal then.

I've never done a piggyback, I went with Bootmod3, less hassle, easier install and I can refresh it later and there's no visible evidence if I get my hood popped. The last car I tuned was a Audi A4 with APR, it wasn't legal but it was undetectable with smog even with the o2 sensor delete. You can still buy and install aftermarket parts, it's just the risk and hassle of swapping parts out or whatever to pass emissions.
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On the bright side, it saves you the money on a mod that isn't really either necessary or beneficial. In the unlikely event that you bust a pipe, the new replacements will probably last another 40k, and until you start really pushing the tune and adding parts, they won't make any more power.



If only that was true.....I've had illegal intakes, headers, exhaust, HFC upgraded turbos, diverter valves, tunes, motor swaps, tints, ride heights, cams, cam gears even aftermarket HIDs aren't or at least weren't legal.......I ran open headers for awhile and other mods that may or may not of been legal like larger fuel injectors from another vehicle and res deletes. I did a steering wheel swap for a racing steering wheel, which supposedly was illegal since the original had airbags?

I just want the illusion of looking and sounding stock performance wise for once.
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If only that was true.....I've had illegal intakes, headers, exhaust, HFC upgraded turbos, diverter valves, tunes, motor swaps, tints, ride heights, cams, cam gears even aftermarket HIDs aren't or at least weren't legal.......I ran open headers for awhile and other mods that may or may not of been legal like larger fuel injectors from another vehicle and res deletes. I did a steering wheel swap for a racing steering wheel, which supposedly was illegal since the original had airbags?

I just want the illusion of looking and sounding stock performance wise for once.
I DK what you are trying to say - I was just commenting that charge pipe replacement is not an essential performance improvement in any way, probably even worse return than intake mods. It might give you more reliability from blowing up stock pipes, but that isn't exactly running rampant through the model - you hear about it, but mostly in highly modded cars and not really high-frequency. And a plug in tune that can be removed in minutes will net you a ton more power and performance.

Every state (or most of them?) has laws that limit mods, and thus every state has probably had modders harassed by police writing tickets for them or inspectors failing to pass registrations. When I was starting out, that was a tactic to take cars off the street, via massive fines worth more than the cost of the car (it used to be a form of bench racing to calculate your current 'ticket-level' - mine was over a grand on my 240z).
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I DK what you are trying to say - I was just commenting that charge pipe replacement is not an essential performance improvement in any way, probably even worse return than intake mods. It might give you more reliability from blowing up stock pipes, but that isn't exactly running rampant through the model - you hear about it, but mostly in highly modded cars and not really high-frequency. And a plug in tune that can be removed in minutes will net you a ton more power and performance.

Every state (or most of them?) has laws that limit mods, and thus every state has probably had modders harassed by police writing tickets for them or inspectors failing to pass registrations. When I was starting out, that was a tactic to take cars off the street, via massive fines worth more than the cost of the car (it used to be a form of bench racing to calculate your current 'ticket-level' - mine was over a grand on my 240z).
Sorry I wasn't laughing at you or your statement. I was just laughing at the fact that I've never been able to keep any car I've ever owned stock and street legal. I misread it and thought you saying that I would save money by not modding my car with non California approved parts.

I know a charge pipe isn't for performance, when I asked if it was noticeable I meant visually. Like if a went for smog or got my hood popped by a cop how much would it standout (flat or anodized black). I read about people blowing their CP and being completely stock and my car is my DD and only vehicle. When I first started modding cars I didn't know anything at all about California needing special approvals on parts until I got my hood popped and was about to get a bunch of citations. I been stopped or attempted to be stopped more than a few times and since I can't find a single mod yet that is street legal in California, I need something more stealth like because I'm not able to work on my car anymore and don't want to pay to install and uninstall parts or get a hot smog for just a charge pipe. My last turbo car didn't need to replaced and I modded that car a lot, I honestly didn't know what a charge pipe was until I picked up my car now.

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I know it's all chance, but there don't seem to be too many N20/N26 charge pipes that have blown at all, seems to be more of an N55 issue. I've been on the stock pipe with no issue - Stage 1, some people blow them stock with no tune, etc.
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I know it's all chance, but there don't seem to be too many N20/N26 charge pipes that have blown at all, seems to be more of an N55 issue. I've been on the stock pipe with no issue - Stage 1, some people blow them stock with no tune, etc.
I just don't want to be stuck waiting on a tow or having to wait for a replacement part which is about $400 for an OEM plastic pipe and have to pay for a rental. It's a paranoia thing, like the whole no spare tire, I've took out my spare tire out of almost every car I've owned, but always put it in when I knew I shouldn't go somewhere without one. I considered buying the spare tire kit that takes up about 1/3rd of the trunk.
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Why don't you buy a used OEM pipe on the cheap or an aftermarket one and keep it in your trunk with some duct tape or an extra clamp? If it blows you tape it up/clamp it and limp to a shop or dealer, have them install. Gotta pay to play, right?
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Why don't you buy a used OEM pipe on the cheap or an aftermarket one and keep it in your trunk with some duct tape or an extra clamp? If it blows you tape it up/clamp it and limp to a shop or dealer, have them install. Gotta pay to play, right?
Yeah, I was thinking of getting the VRSF charge pipe, but was trying to find out how noticeable it would be visually with the meth bung and the rubber or silicone coupler and clamps in the middle. I even considered trying to find some exhaust tape and or coupler and clamp to reinforce the connecting end.
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Why don't you buy a used OEM pipe on the cheap or an aftermarket one and keep it in your trunk with some duct tape or an extra clamp? If it blows you tape it up/clamp it and limp to a shop or dealer, have them install. Gotta pay to play, right?
Yeah, I was thinking of getting the VRSF charge pipe, but was trying to find out how noticeable it would be visually with the meth bung and the rubber or silicone coupler and clamps in the middle. I even considered trying to find some exhaust tape and or coupler and clamp to reinforce the connecting end.
I've never had to go in for smog yet but I would be very surprised if anyone noticed the charge pipe, or cared if they did. Other than the CARB politics, logic states that it can't have an effect on emissions since it just replaces a plastic part with aluminum (pre-combustion). It won't throw codes, it doesn't affect readiness monitors, it won't affect a sniff test, I think it's pretty low risk.
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I've never had to go in for smog yet but I would be very surprised if anyone noticed the charge pipe, or cared if they did. Other than the CARB politics, logic states that it can't have an effect on emissions since it just replaces a plastic part with aluminum (pre-combustion). It won't throw codes, it doesn't affect readiness monitors, it won't affect a sniff test, I think it's pretty low risk.
I've seen some mostly non BMW forum posts of people failing visual tests over a charge pipe in California. They actually have CARB approved charge pipes for NON BMWs. One guy with a BMW told the smog tech he wasn't going to pay $400+ install on a plastic pipe when he could get a metal pipe for less and that didn't fly. California takes things too far with laws and adding high taxes and fees and fines it doesn't seem worth a manufactures's effort and cost to legalize parts and some shops are really strict so they don't get fined or shutdown. I did take a chance once and did a real smog and past with a HFC and tune. I failed the visual instantly, but the guy was young and I played stupid and confused.

I'm the third owner of my car and my car originally came from Texas so I'm not sure if that changes anything from just being able to pay the $20 or $25 smog abatement fee for the 7 or 8 years since the dealer charged me a $50 smog fee when I bought the car.
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I got the black ER one and it looks the same, just not cheap plastic..shocked if they knew it was after market.

Cops can pull you over and look at mods ? WTH is that ? I would laugh at them and go to jail. Is that just a CA thing ?
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I got the black ER one and it looks the same, just not cheap plastic..shocked if they knew it was after market.

Cops can pull you over and look at mods ? WTH is that ? I would laugh at them and go to jail. Is that just a CA thing ?
I've only lived in California so I'm not sure? Normally around where I live, it happens more with Japanese cars but I've been stopped in California by asshole cops with nothing better to do. I been stopped for not signaling 100 ft before turning, sitting in a parking lot for 10 mins, I was pulled over by the task force because I had a third brake light out and was asked to pop my hood. I had my hood popped before over modified tail lights.

I looked at the ER but it seemed like it would stand out with 2 bungs and the logos and the red outline from the coupler, but either way it's usually not shippable to California.

From there website

"CAUTION: This product is intended for OFF ROAD USE ONLY. Not legal for use on pollution controlled vechiles upon public road/highways. THIS PRODUCT IS FOR SALE FOR ALL 49 STATES EXCLUDING CALIFORNIA.

THIS ITEM IS NOT FOR SALE, INSTALLATION, OR USE ON LICENSED VEHILES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

The item is for sale for international customers without restriction."

Other sites won't ship either here. VRSF or eBay type garbage is my only option but, I heard of some people having fitment issues with VRSF and I'd be paying for install.
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Wow thats crazy. And I believe all sites have that "legal" misnomer on it for California, they have to for obvious no mod reasons I guess.

The ER I got has no visible writing and before/after pics look really close. Man I couldn't live with that.

Good luck
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Wow thats crazy. And I believe all sites have that "legal" misnomer on it for California, they have to for obvious no mod reasons I guess.

The ER I got has no visible writing and before/after pics look really close. Man I couldn't live with that.

Good luck
Thanks and Cali just sucks from all the stupid laws and extra fees and taxes and a ridiculous cost of living I would have traded my car for a M235 if CA was one of many states that had a tax break for trade ins. This state is only good for people who want to smoke weed and for the weather.
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