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      08-18-2019, 04:46 PM   #287
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Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?
Right, because B58O would be O0, and here we have O1. BMW now uses a new sequence of letters for the four-letter engine codes you might find for example in ETK. This started with N63 but became more systematic with the TUs of Bxx motors:

BxxA - K1
BxxB - U1
BxxC - M1
BxxD - O1
B4xE - T1 in UKL models
B4xF - T1 in CLAR models
BxxX - any hybrid using that engine
N63B - N63T3
N74B - N74U1

What's funny is that Supra crowd now talks about B58C vs B58D all the time.
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      08-18-2019, 07:11 PM   #288
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With an end of production date of 8/2020 for the F33, can we assume that the new platform G series 4 Convertible will be available at the same time?

Thanks for the help.
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G80 colors, first info about the European 128ti.
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      09-07-2019, 01:28 PM   #291
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Disappointed there’s no light blue like Yas Marina Blue. Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
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      09-07-2019, 02:24 PM   #292
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Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Because BMW doesn't want to sell two-box hatchbacks here.
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      09-07-2019, 04:57 PM   #293
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Disappointed there’s no light blue like Yas Marina Blue. Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Probably because the market is slow and saturated, so doesn't make sense to introduce a new competitor. Not many people here would be interested in a more expensive GTI with no track record.
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      09-07-2019, 07:50 PM   #294
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Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Because BMW doesn't want to sell hatchbacks here.
Whoa whoa whoa, can u please clarify on the seats? Do u mean to say the spy shots we've just been seeing are the standard ones or theyre the optional buckets?
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      09-07-2019, 08:09 PM   #295
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Whoa whoa whoa, can u please clarify on the seats? Do u mean to say the spy shots we've just been seeing are the standard ones or theyre the optional buckets?
Sorry, the latest photo is the optional buckets. I've edited my post. The key part is that they're coming to the States while all earlier M3s kept the coolest seats Euro-only.
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Hmmmm these CF bucket seats ehh? 🤔 lol
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G80 colors, first info about the European 128ti.
Can anything be inferred around rough SOP for G80 considering the fact you are seeing color and interior data or are they not related?

I find it interesting that bmw would have this level of detail ready but SOP still be more than 12 months or even 15+ months away (late 2020 or even 2021 launch)
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I find it interesting that bmw would have this level of detail ready but SOP still be more than 12 months or even 15+ months away (late 2020 or even 2021 launch)
This is typical for M cars.
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[*]Non-US news but interesting enough to post: BMW is readying a new version of F40 targeted squarely at Golf GTI. It'll use the same engine as M135i but it will be detuned to 260hp and drive the front wheels. The current name for this model is "128ti", but in all ways it's going to be an M Performance model, with M aero bits, M sport brakes, sport suspension, special sport seats, and other goodies. Though still no manual transmission.[/list]

Too little too late, but I will keep an open mind.

They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't have a manual option. I think something like 50% of GTI's are sold with a manual?
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M5 CS, new M motor, other little things.
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M Performance PHEV. Interesting. I wouldn't mind driving a X5 M50e with 50 miles EV range and a 500+ hp V8.
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The next 8 cylinder M motor is going to be called S68. Most likely, it will be an evolution of S63, not something radically new. I would expect some electrification with the internal combustion side mostly staying the same. Maybe it will be the engine for M5 CS, maybe for something farther in the future - not sure yet.
Cool. It makes me wonder if there will also be an N68 for M Performance vehicles (M*55i ?). That would make sense, since mild-hybridization of all BMW engines is likely to occur over the next few years.

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The first M Performance PHEV vehicle is coming: M750Le xDrive.
So the question is - I6 or V8. They could theoretically swap the B58 O1 into the existing 45e drivetrain and get a 100hp increase straight away. And they could obviously get even more if they use a more powerful electric motor. That could put them right about on par with the N63 T3 used in today's M50i vehicles. Or they could go with a (detuned) N63 M3, similar to how the 45e uses a detuned B58 M1 (at least I think its still technically the M1), and, even with the electric assist, ends up at about the same power output as the B58 O1 by itself (though its more fuel efficient, of course, which is the whole point).

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BMW is planning to offer the largest battery among all BEVs on the market at 120kWh. It will go into the model that we haven't seen yet, and I'm not yet going to speculate on the car itself.
My money would be on the iNEXT first, but any pure EV in the 5 Series range and above would be a candidate eventually, I'm sure.
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      09-13-2019, 11:52 AM   #304
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So the question is - I6 or V8. They could theoretically swap the B58 O1 into the existing 45e drivetrain and get a 100hp increase straight away.
The most likely powertrain layout for 50e is B58M2 replacing B58M1 and a more powerful electric motor.
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My money would be on the iNEXT first, but any pure EV in the 5 Series range and above would be a candidate eventually, I'm sure.
I don't think we'll see the 120kWh pack in iNext, at least not initially.
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what's the s68 engine?
S68 is new upcoming M engine mentioned in latest update - in the first post
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S68 will be in the next G90 M5 and will feature I hybrid power train I am guessing. I am also guessing that the S68 will have a smaller power output than the current S63tu4, and may even be a smaller displacement than 4.4L, but the drop in gasoline horsepower will be made up by the addition of an electric motor. The real question/challenge will be whether or not M can make a hybrid G90 M5 without increasing the overall curb weight over the current F90.
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Hmmm, wonder if the M5 CS is going to be fast or not....
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