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      07-10-2019, 10:35 AM   #89
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Without any proof or evidence - my gut is saying that pretty much anyone who was close enough to Epstien was well aware, or at least had very valid suspicians of what was going on - this includes Trump, Clinton, Hawking, and anyone else associated with him.

Whether or not they were involved in any of the disgusting behavior he is accused of is yet to be determined. I would not be surprised, unfortunately, to find that some of them were involved as well. This would include both Trump and Clinton.
Bang on I believe. Knowing about this and not doing anything about it is pretty terrible. Trump's comment about how Epstein liked younger girls or whatever ain't good. Did he mean younger as in 18-20, or......

Interesting theories I've heard floating around lately are that Epstein could have actually been involved with intelligence agency, CIA for example, and they worked together to get dirt on famous people etc. Considering the incredible deal he received the first go around, it would make sense. I know our government has been involved in some pretty despicable shit, but if they had a hand in this I don't think they could go much lower.

Here's an interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffre...in-plain-sight
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Chris Tucker's name is on the log.
Do I think he had a young girl? No.
Hawking? Stop it.

Everyone that flew on that aircraft didn't automatically have an underage girl for a snack.

What to look for, which the FBI is surely doing, is repeat guests. Patterns people, patterns. This is why I think Bill is f'ied.
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Bang on I believe. Knowing about this and not doing anything about it is pretty terrible. Trump's comment about how Epstein liked younger girls or whatever ain't good. Did he mean younger as in 18-20, or......

Interesting theories I've heard floating around lately are that Epstein could have actually been involved with intelligence agency, CIA for example, and they worked together to get dirt on famous people etc. Considering the incredible deal he received the first go around, it would make sense. I know our government has been involved in some pretty despicable shit, but if they had a hand in this I don't think they could go much lower.

Here's an interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffre...in-plain-sight
Nobody knows what Trump knew except Trump but I have to think he was talking about the younger women Epstein was often with in public. Not underage younger but much younger than Epstein himself.
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Nobody knows what Trump knew except Trump but I have to think he was talking about the younger women Epstein was often with in public. Not underage younger but much younger than Epstein himself.
Yeah, who the hell knows.
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Itís pretty obvious, right?

This was just a Mossad financed child-sex honeypot operation from the beginning.

Who was Ghislaine Maxwellís father?

How did Epstein make his fortune?
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I have a feeling Stephen hawking knew as much about that island that any of us knew a year ago which is nothing. That's why just saying anyone in a pic with this guy is auto guilty is crazy and we should see what investigations say. Maybee Clinton is guilty maybee trump maybe none maybe both.

If only ppl out of power are guilty and ppl in power are found innocent then I would be really really suspicious
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This island and the activities there has been well known since at least the early 2000s. It becomes more difficult for the elites to hide their debauchery as technology progresses.

This island is not used for quiet getaways for politicians to drink beer and enjoy the beach. The temple/synagogue there isnít used for a nice little Sunday service with donuts and coffee. We have to have honest conversations about topics like this.
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Without any proof or evidence - my gut is saying that pretty much anyone who was close enough to Epstien was well aware, or at least had very valid suspicians of what was going on - this includes Trump, Clinton, Hawking, and anyone else associated with him.

Whether or not they were involved in any of the disgusting behavior he is accused of is yet to be determined. I would not be surprised, unfortunately, to find that some of them were involved as well. This would include both Trump and Clinton.
Guys, this has been another Open Secret like the Weinstein, "don't let him get you alone in a room", open secret.

Start trying to google or do any searches and the data is being removed. Not an accident and it won't stop soon. These monsters have been caught with their pants down and still dripping. They need a visit to the aforementioned Toss Salad Man and his compatriot, the You Gonna Get F'ked Man followed up with a lethal injection. Monsters, one and all.
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Bang on I believe. Knowing about this and not doing anything about it is pretty terrible. Trump's comment about how Epstein liked younger girls or whatever ain't good. Did he mean younger as in 18-20, or......

Interesting theories I've heard floating around lately are that Epstein could have actually been involved with intelligence agency, CIA for example, and they worked together to get dirt on famous people etc. Considering the incredible deal he received the first go around, it would make sense. I know our government has been involved in some pretty despicable shit, but if they had a hand in this I don't think they could go much lower.

Here's an interesting article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffre...in-plain-sight
I'd venture it's a case like Harvey Weinstein. Everyone knew for decades yet nothing was ever done about it.

I came across this 2003 piece about Epstein. You know an article is going to be weird when it says this is the first few lines "The entrance hall is decorated not with paintings but with row upon row of individually framed eyeballs; these, the owner tells people with relish, were imported from England, where they were made for injured soldiers." And 'young' girls are referenced multiple times.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003...epstein-200303
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I do find it interesting that some of you on here are literally frothing at the mouth to hang Clinton from the highest tree before the indictment has come down and the jury has come back, yet you are giving Trump pretty much a free pass.

As far as I know, Clinton has had four allegations of sexual misconduct against him (Broaddrick, Millwee, Jones, and Willey and affairs with Lewinsky and Flowers (some also consider Lewinsky sexual misconduct due to how that occurred).
And yes, he is to have been friends with Epstein and flown on the Lolita Express on a number of occasions. But as of now, no one has said he was sexually involved with underage girls.

Trump has had allegations of sexual misconduct from Leeds, Anderson, Harth, Heller, McDowell, Virginia, Ivana Trump, McGillivray, Murphy, Drake, Laaksonen, Anderson, Crooks, Stoynoff, McDougal, Searles, Clifford, Zervos, Carroll (two people, Sullivan and Dixon, talk about Trump walking into the dressing rooms of beauty pageants unwelcome and Trump verifies this on Howard Stern).

Trump has also been on Howard Stern many times talking in demeaning ways about women, including sexualizing his own daughter Ivanka and telling Stern it was OK to refer to her as a "piece of ass." Then there is the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump himself allegedly made several sexual comments about Ivanka over the years including dating her if she was not his daughter, being more attracted to her than his wife (she was 13 at the time), he and his daughter both like sex, made references to McDougal and Daniels to his daughter which Daniels took to mean Ivanka, made reference to her great beauty and how every guy wants to date her, and then there was his comment about if he was not happily married and, ya know, her father....

There are also no allegations that Trump has been sexually involved with underage girls.

I think it is fair to say that both Clinton and Trump were once friends of Epstein and both hung out with him. That does not mean either of them are involved in this.

My point is, neither Clinton nor Trump are fine examples of men. Not even close. But if you are going to prematurely drag Clinton through the mud because of his past, then grab a hold of Trump and drag him right on through it, too.

In the end, both could be involved, and neither could be involved. We will just have to see what shakes out and go from there.
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I do find it interesting that some of you on here are literally frothing at the mouth to hang Clinton from the highest tree before the indictment has come down and the jury has come back, yet you are giving Trump pretty much a free pass.

As far as I know, Clinton has had four allegations of sexual misconduct against him (Broaddrick, Millwee, Jones, and Willey and affairs with Lewinsky and Flowers (some also consider Lewinsky sexual misconduct due to how that occurred).
And yes, he is to have been friends with Epstein and flown on the Lolita Express on a number of occasions. But as of now, no one has said he was sexually involved with underage girls.

Trump has had allegations of sexual misconduct from Leeds, Anderson, Harth, Heller, McDowell, Virginia, Ivana Trump, McGillivray, Murphy, Drake, Laaksonen, Anderson, Crooks, Stoynoff, McDougal, Searles, Clifford, Zervos, Carroll (two people, Sullivan and Dixon, talk about Trump walking into the dressing rooms of beauty pageants unwelcome and Trump verifies this on Howard Stern).

Trump has also been on Howard Stern many times talking in demeaning ways about women, including sexualizing his own daughter Ivanka and telling Stern it was OK to refer to her as a "piece of ass." Then there is the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump himself allegedly made several sexual comments about Ivanka over the years including dating her if she was not his daughter, being more attracted to her than his wife (she was 13 at the time), he and his daughter both like sex, made references to McDougal and Daniels to his daughter which Daniels took to mean Ivanka, made reference to her great beauty and how every guy wants to date her, and then there was his comment about if he was not happily married and, ya know, her father....

There are also no allegations that Trump has been sexually involved with underage girls.

I think it is fair to say that both Clinton and Trump were once friends of Epstein and both hung out with him. That does not mean either of them are involved in this.

My point is, neither Clinton nor Trump are fine examples of men. Not even close. But if you are going to prematurely drag Clinton through the mud because of his past, then grab a hold of Trump and drag him right on through it, too.

In the end, both could be involved, and neither could be involved. We will just have to see what shakes out and go from there.

I say let's all wait and see how this plays out before we start pointing fingers. I will joke all day about Clinton but without hard evidence pointing fingers at him makes us no batter than the media assholes who slammed the Covington Catholic kids before knowing the whole story.
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I say let's all wait and see how this plays out before we start pointing fingers. I will joke all day about Clinton but without hard evidence pointing fingers at him makes us no batter than the media assholes who slammed the Covington Catholic kids before knowing the whole story.
Totally agree with you. This could be really bad for others that is for sure. Just have to wait and see if the feds charge anyone else, or what comes from the documents release from the civil lawsuit.
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Evidence with Trump and Epstein is spotty so far. 1 flight on a plane unrelated to the island vs 26 with bill and pictures of bill at the island. Apples to oranges.

Now if evidence emerges that Trump was involved, I’ll be ready to throw him into the fire. That’s a literal fire, by the way.
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Yep, agreed with all. These would be some super slanderous/sleazy allegations, best to wait for the evidence to see who was involved. Understandably we all have our biases and who we'd like to see get burned, but the fact of the matter is none of us really know much of anything right now. I just hope the victims get some justice out of this finally.
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Yep, agreed with all. These would be some super slanderous/sleazy allegations, best to wait for the evidence to see who was involved. Understandably we all have our biases and who we'd like to see get burned, but the fact of the matter is none of us really know much of anything right now. I just hope the victims get some justice out of this finally.
Right on! They did not get it the first time around. Swept under the rug big time. If a guilty plea or conviction in court happens this time, they will at least get to have their voices heard this time.
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I do find it interesting that some of you on here are literally frothing at the mouth to hang Clinton from the highest tree before the indictment has come down and the jury has come back, yet you are giving Trump pretty much a free pass.

As far as I know, Clinton has had four allegations of sexual misconduct against him (Broaddrick, Millwee, Jones, and Willey and affairs with Lewinsky and Flowers (some also consider Lewinsky sexual misconduct due to how that occurred).
And yes, he is to have been friends with Epstein and flown on the Lolita Express on a number of occasions. But as of now, no one has said he was sexually involved with underage girls.

Trump has had allegations of sexual misconduct from Leeds, Anderson, Harth, Heller, McDowell, Virginia, Ivana Trump, McGillivray, Murphy, Drake, Laaksonen, Anderson, Crooks, Stoynoff, McDougal, Searles, Clifford, Zervos, Carroll (two people, Sullivan and Dixon, talk about Trump walking into the dressing rooms of beauty pageants unwelcome and Trump verifies this on Howard Stern).

Trump has also been on Howard Stern many times talking in demeaning ways about women, including sexualizing his own daughter Ivanka and telling Stern it was OK to refer to her as a "piece of ass." Then there is the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump himself allegedly made several sexual comments about Ivanka over the years including dating her if she was not his daughter, being more attracted to her than his wife (she was 13 at the time), he and his daughter both like sex, made references to McDougal and Daniels to his daughter which Daniels took to mean Ivanka, made reference to her great beauty and how every guy wants to date her, and then there was his comment about if he was not happily married and, ya know, her father....

There are also no allegations that Trump has been sexually involved with underage girls.

I think it is fair to say that both Clinton and Trump were once friends of Epstein and both hung out with him. That does not mean either of them are involved in this.

My point is, neither Clinton nor Trump are fine examples of men. Not even close. But if you are going to prematurely drag Clinton through the mud because of his past, then grab a hold of Trump and drag him right on through it, too.

In the end, both could be involved, and neither could be involved. We will just have to see what shakes out and go from there.
The emboldened is the main point when considering that Mr. Trump flew on the aircraft in question once and Mr. Clinton flew 26 or 27 times. Additionally, he lied about that and only admitted to 4 times when it's in the flight logs. That's where, imho, there is a difference between the two scoundrels.

Where there is ZERO difference between them and any other piece of filth involved in this either directly or peripherally: They Should All Burn. Period. End of Story.

A pretty good post.

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wasn't there a party that trump attended with 28 of these young girls? Caught that in the paper today.
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wasn't there a party that trump attended with 28 of these young girls? Caught that in the paper today.
Uncertain. The news is moving fast on this topic. Do you have a link?

More importantly, how is your little buddy doing?
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Uncertain. The news is moving fast on this topic. Do you have a link?

More importantly, how is your little buddy doing?
I'll see what I can do on the link.

My little buddy woke up in respiratory distress last weds and I had to do the right thing and bring him to the vet to be euthanized.
Its getting better but there was a lot of emotion and sadness.

Thanks for asking-i posted a picture of him in the pet thread. A great companion.
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The emboldened is the main point when considering that Mr. Trump flew on the aircraft in question once and Mr. Clinton flew 26 or 27 times. Additionally, he lied about that and only admitted to 4 times when it's in the flight logs. That's where, imho, there is a difference between the two scoundrels.

Where there is ZERO difference between them and any other piece of filth involved in this either directly or peripherally: They Should All Burn. Period. End of Story.

A pretty good post.

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I was pondering that same thing myself just a bit ago. Why the heck would he only admit to four times if there was verified documentation of almost seven times that many? Either he is a colossal idiot (well, ok....LOL) or maybe those 26 or 27 times have not actually been verified?? Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.


On a side note, here is an interesting find related to Clinton:

This is a civil sworn affidavit from 2015 from Virginia Roberts where she identifies a few of the people she had sex with while she was underage. The people she identifies are Epstein (several times), Prince Andrew (several times), Alan Dershowitz (several times), Ghislaine Maxwell (several times), and Jean Luc Brunel (several times). As for Clinton, she says she saw him on the island, but she never had sex with him nor did she ever seen him have sex with anyone. Yes, I know. That does not prove he did not have sex with an underage girl, just what she witnessed personally.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868...dium=affiliate
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I'll see what I can do on the link.

My little buddy woke up in respiratory distress last weds and I had to do the right thing and bring him to the vet to be euthanized.
Its getting better but there was a lot of emotion and sadness.

Thanks for asking-i posted a picture of him in the pet thread. A great companion.
I can't imagine having to do that, Bill. Kudos to you for doing the right thing and sending your little buddy across the rainbow bridge. Please know that you are in our prayers.

All my best-MK
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wasn't there a party that trump attended with 28 of these young girls? Caught that in the paper today.
It was a private party between Trump and Epstein from 1992. Does not say how old they were. Just 28 "Calendar Girls."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Melania.html
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I was pondering that same thing myself just a bit ago. Why the heck would he only admit to four times if there was verified documentation of almost seven times that many? Either he is a colossal idiot (well, ok....LOL) or maybe those 26 or 27 times have not actually been verified?? Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.


On a side note, here is an interesting find related to Clinton:

This is a civil sworn affidavit from 2015 from Virginia Roberts where she identifies a few of the people she had sex with while she was underage. The people she identifies are Epstein (several times), Prince Andrew (several times), Alan Dershowitz (several times), Ghislaine Maxwell (several times), and Jean Luc Brunel (several times). As for Clinton, she says she saw him on the island, but she never had sex with him nor did she ever seen him have sex with anyone. Yes, I know. That does not prove he did not have sex with an underage girl, just what she witnessed personally.

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Why would allegedly responsible adults go to a place called Sin Island on an aircraft dubbed The Lolita Express?!?!! You couldn't make this S41T up!! It's so stupid that it seems like a fictional tale but alas, it is not.

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Differing reports on the girl party but Epstein's lawyer did say that his client was banned from Mar-a-lago for assaulting, iirc, a young girl. Maybe it was not assault but he did something wrong with her. Supposedly her father was there too.

I'll stand by my prediction that Bill is crapping his pants, along with who knows how many other...men and women.
Imo, this can't get buried. Too many prying eyes.

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Sorry to hear about your pal. 2 years ago last month I went through it. Still can't look at any of his pictures. It's brutal but hang in there.
No more for me. I can't go through it again.
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