[xl5]

"I'm going to be glued to my TV + Computer at 6:00am Central Dec. 5th, for the reveal of the 50 Year anniversary Mustang."

We'll be on vacation, so I won't be rushing it. Anyway, this reveal should have been in April at the NY Auto Show to hit 50 exactly.

Of course, me being a New Yorker doesn't in any way sway my opinion.



And now, back on topic...

[Husker]

Originally Posted by xl5

"I'm going to be glued to my TV + Computer at 6:00am Central Dec. 5th, for the reveal of the 50 Year anniversary Mustang."

We'll be on vacation, so I won't be rushing it. Anyway, this reveal should have been in April at the NY Auto Show to hit 50 exactly.

Of course, me being a New Yorker doesn't in any way sway my opinion.



And now, back on topic...

They, FORD, have plans for the true April Anniversary in Las Vegas & I forgot the other city.

Your right, B_O_T, this is my last mention of Mustang...

[Clorus]

is this long wait normal. the uk guide has been out less than a week after the announcement.

[dmboone25]

Any day now....no, we really mean it !

[puma1552]

getting tired of waiting to see if this car is going to be realistic or if its going to price itself outside of what i think is reasonable once optioned with the required goods.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by puma1552

getting tired of waiting to see if this car is going to be realistic or if its going to price itself outside of what i think is reasonable once optioned with the required goods.

I completely agree.

The way this car has been handled is so weird to me - there hasn't been a comprehensive, global rollout of the car and available trims. Which just doesn't make sense.

And who waits to release this info to their largest market (US) after other markets which are much smaller - again, no offense to Canada, the UK, and whoever else can configure a car.

Seems half-assed and poorly thought out. Just my $.02.

[puma1552]

Yeah I mean if they charge 2500 or 3k for Msport and pull that "must buy premium package in order to get lighting package so that those xenons cost $4500" like they did on the 1 series, BMW can forget it…just like they had to forget on the 1, at least where my money was concerned a couple years back. Also if there's no HK option like how there isn't one on the 320i, that's going to result in some reconsidering because i need tunes and i hate aftermarket stereos in this era when factory systems can be so good finally.

If a modestly optioned 228i Msport comes in at $40k+ (still fully expecting manual seats at this price point…), I'm out 100%. Too many other attractive options at that price point.

get on with it already, BMW, these cars have been in production for a month.

[Husker]

Originally Posted by puma1552

Yeah I mean if they charge 2500 or 3k for Msport and pull that "must buy premium package in order to get lighting package so that those xenons cost $4500" like they did on the 1 series, BMW can forget it…just like they had to forget on the 1, at least where my money was concerned a couple years back. Also if there's no HK option like how there isn't one on the 320i, that's going to result in some reconsidering because i need tunes and i hate aftermarket stereos in this era when factory systems can be so good finally.

If a modestly optioned 228i Msport comes in at $40k+ (still fully expecting manual seats at this price point…), I'm out 100%. Too many other attractive options at that price point.

get on with it already, BMW, these cars have been in production for a month.

BINGO...I'm already looking at several other options.

If BMW is Jacking the price (assuming options are ridiculously priced) for a properly optioned fun car, to a level of, "R_U KIDDING ME"...Well, I'll spend mine more wisely.

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by Husker

BINGO...I'm already looking at several other options.

If BMW is Jacking the price (assuming options are ridiculously priced) for a properly optioned fun car, to a level of, "R_U KIDDING ME"...Well, I'll spend mine more wisely.

please BMW, give me a reason to save my money and get a GTI or GLI.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by puma1552

Yeah I mean if they charge 2500 or 3k for Msport and pull that "must buy premium package in order to get lighting package so that those xenons cost $4500" like they did on the 1 series, BMW can forget it…just like they had to forget on the 1, at least where my money was concerned a couple years back. Also if there's no HK option like how there isn't one on the 320i, that's going to result in some reconsidering because i need tunes and i hate aftermarket stereos in this era when factory systems can be so good finally.

If a modestly optioned 228i Msport comes in at $40k+ (still fully expecting manual seats at this price point…), I'm out 100%. Too many other attractive options at that price point.

get on with it already, BMW, these cars have been in production for a month.

what exactly are you expecting? Out the door for $32k? even the last generation 128i used to easily get to $40k nicely optioned and the 135is easily got to $50k well-optioned. If you were looking for a 'performance bargain' then you are sort of looking in the wrong place, man. It's a BMW and these companies (Audi, Merc, Porsche, etc..) will still gouge your wallet with options-----that's how it works!

the 1-series and now 2-series were never meant to be 'cheap' options within the BMW range in North America. If anything, they target a specific audience looking for a sports coupe in the more 'classic' sense of the word. I think some people tend to misunderstand and think they are supposed to be cheap....but they aren't and probably never will be. In Europe, one can get a 118i on the cheap.....but there's a reason we don't get those cars over here (BMW wants to stay premium....not practical).

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by puma1552

Yeah I mean if they charge 2500 or 3k for Msport and pull that "must buy premium package in order to get lighting package so that those xenons cost $4500" like they did on the 1 series, BMW can forget it…just like they had to forget on the 1, at least where my money was concerned a couple years back. Also if there's no HK option like how there isn't one on the 320i, that's going to result in some reconsidering because i need tunes and i hate aftermarket stereos in this era when factory systems can be so good finally.

If a modestly optioned 228i Msport comes in at $40k+ (still fully expecting manual seats at this price point…), I'm out 100%. Too many other attractive options at that price point.

get on with it already, BMW, these cars have been in production for a month.

Xenons and M-Sport should be standard. They were on the 135, both times that I purchased one.

My guess is that the packages list will be somewhat smaller than what you can get for a 3/4 series, but a little expnaded beyond what was available for the 1er. We shall see...

I'm telling you--you have got to utilize someone like David Aviles to work from the invoice price--it makes all the difference in the world. You end up getting your options for "free"--aka, the amount saved versus MSRP basically "pays" for the options you want to add on...

The area that will really determine price, for leasing anyway, will be connected to the residuals and money factor. Based on those, you will be able to see how aggressively BMW plans to move these babies...and those numbers will not be very adventageous to people like us at the very beginning of launch, at least I wouldn't think...

This is why the options list and pricing is so important--gives you a way to totally spec the car out and know where you're going to land from a financial standpoint...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

what exactly are you expecting? Out the door for $32k? even the last generation 128i used to easily get to $40k nicely optioned and the 135is easily got to $50k well-optioned. If you were looking for a 'performance bargain' then you are sort of looking in the wrong place, man. It's a BMW and these companies (Audi, Merc, Porsche, etc..) will still gouge your wallet with options-----that's how it works!

the 1-series and now 2-series were never meant to be 'cheap' options within the BMW range in North America. If anything, they target a specific audience looking for a sports coupe in the more 'classic' sense of the word. I think some people tend to misunderstand and think they are supposed to be cheap....but they aren't and probably never will be. In Europe, one can get a 118i on the cheap.....but there's a reason we don't get those cars over here (BMW wants to stay premium....not practical).

Valid argument, but if you deal from invoice and ORDER your car--aka, only check the boxes that you want--then you can make this a bargain performance car, relatively speaking.

People that walk into dealerships and pick off the lot are always gonna get screwed from that point of view. Why do you think all the cars on dealer lots have tons of shit on them?

They aren't called stealerships for nothing...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Valid argument, but if you deal from invoice and ORDER your car--aka, only check the boxes that you want--then you can make this a bargain performance car, relatively speaking.

People that walk into dealerships and pick off the lot are always gonna get screwed from that point of view. Why do you think all the cars on dealer lots have tons of shit on them?

They aren't called stealerships for nothing...

i totally agree with you....but that requires a certain type of person---the type of person who wants a stripped out car and what i'm seeing are people who want the options, but don't want to pay for them!

but definitely ordering is THE best way to get what you want and not get what you don't want---and have the most control over pricing

i think BMW have actually done very well pricing the 2-series. it's basically the same pricing as the 1-series with only a slight increase. I don't think people should be complaining too much really....

[Powaup]

4 weeks into production... Still no order guide

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i totally agree with you....but that requires a certain type of person---the type of person who wants a stripped out car and what i'm seeing are people who want the options, but don't want to pay for them!

but definitely ordering is THE best way to get what you want and not get what you don't want---and have the most control over pricing

i think BMW have actually done very well pricing the 2-series. it's basically the same pricing as the 1-series with only a slight increase. I don't think people should be complaining too much really....

I hear ya there--options are the tricky part of any ordering process.

For me, there are only a couple of "must haves"--heated seats and the dimming mirrors. It's nice because you can still get heated seats without ordering the CWP--but to get the mirrors, you had to order the Premium, which doesn't get you a whole lot else with the 1er...

It seems to me that BMW is going down the Lexus route--you have to order $4K packages to get one thing that you want. It seems like more things used to be available "a la carte", but less so these days...

I understand why they do it--it's just not as nice for the customer...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Powaup

4 weeks into production... Still no order guide

But it's coming any day now--it really really is!

[puma1552]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

what exactly are you expecting? Out the door for $32k? even the last generation 128i used to easily get to $40k nicely optioned and the 135is easily got to $50k well-optioned. If you were looking for a 'performance bargain' then you are sort of looking in the wrong place, man. It's a BMW and these companies (Audi, Merc, Porsche, etc..) will still gouge your wallet with options-----that's how it works!

No, all I want on the car is xenons, Msport, heated seats, and sunroof. It would be nice for the sticker to come in around $36k-$37k on that with destination but that's probably going to be a pipe dream. I'm not interested in a $40k base model that will still lack pretty much most options, but that's probably what's going to happen like always. As for that's how it works, that's how it will continue to work as long as everyone drinks the kool-aid and pays whatever asinine price BMW wants for everything. There are people in this forum who would probably pay $5k for a sunroof if BMW asked for it and just cite "pay to play" rather than saying enough is enough and voting with the wallet and BMW would laugh all the way to the bank...just like all those people rolling around in $60k 3 series that aren't even M cars.

I want an affordable 2 series, that's not asking much especially since I'm looking at a lowly 228. Personally I always found it odd that a luxury car came so stripped out, one would initially expect a luxury car to be well equipped to begin with. I'm not on board with paying north of $40k for a 228i, no way. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this entry level coupe to come in halfways decently equipped for under $40k, and by that I don't mean $39,900.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Xenons and M-Sport should be standard.

Should be but won't be on the 228i. That said though, it kind of gets old having to get the same tired recycled Msport look/package on everything BMW for it to be a decent looking/performing car.

I mean we will see where it lands, the starting price is attractive for sure. I am still excited about the car, but I'm also a little tighter with who I fork over my hard earned cash to these days which I don't think is unreasonable.

[Lucky13]

Man I paid $47K for a Z4 with the cloth top back in 2004 so BMW probably is not you answer for a $37K car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by puma1552

No, all I want on the car is xenons, Msport, heated seats, and sunroof. It would be nice for the sticker to come in around $36k-$37k on that with destination but that's probably going to be a pipe dream. I'm not interested in a $40k base model that will still lack pretty much most options, but that's probably what's going to happen like always. As for that's how it works, that's how it will continue to work as long as everyone drinks the kool-aid and pays whatever asinine price BMW wants for everything. There are people in this forum who would probably pay $5k for a sunroof if BMW asked for it and just cite "pay to play" rather than saying enough is enough and voting with the wallet and BMW would laugh all the way to the bank...just like all those people rolling around in $60k 3 series that aren't even M cars.

I want an affordable 2 series, that's not asking much especially since I'm looking at a lowly 228. Personally I always found it odd that a luxury car came so stripped out, one would initially expect a luxury car to be well equipped to begin with. I'm not on board with paying north of $40k for a 228i, no way. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this entry level coupe to come in halfways decently equipped for under $40k, and by that I don't mean $39,900.



Should be but won't be on the 228i. That said though, it kind of gets old having to get the same tired recycled Msport look/package on everything BMW for it to be a decent looking/performing car.

I mean we will see where it lands, the starting price is attractive for sure. I am still excited about the car, but I'm also a little tighter with who I fork over my hard earned cash to these days which I don't think is unreasonable.

I got you my man--and I understand. My first Bimmer was a 2007 E92 328i, and all I could afford were heated seats. usually more things are standard on coupes for whatever reason--my 328 was about as stripper as they come, but it had Xenons and a sunroof standard...perhaps this will be the case with the 228 as well...

That being said, the 228 should be a good value--you're going to get into the 300 BHP range with a cheap flash and the car should be nicely balanced.

There were some guys that had a 128i on here that did a bunch of stuff to it--spending roughly what a stock 135 cost at the time...and ended up wiping the floor with many 135s at the track...it's a good thread, just can't remember how long ago that was...my point being that as long as you get what you want, you're gonna be happy. Eff everyone else.

[puma1552]

word, now lets get that configurator online!

[julio91]

I feel like this car has taken forever to be revealed and given any type of info on it's annoying

[vinny84]

I've been told to expect the US order guide by weeks end