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      06-07-2021, 10:44 PM   #1
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I went to get an alignment today and i was told that there is no camber adjustment on these cars stock. I heard there is some but not much up front but there is a good amount of adjustment in the rear. Am I misinformed or is the alignment shop I went to a bit slow. I'm on Dinan lowering springs. Also, aren't the left and right side numbers supposed to be the same?
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I went to get an alignment today and i was told that there is no camber adjustment on these cars stock. I heard there is some but not much up front but there is a good amount of adjustment in the rear. Am I misinformed or is the alignment shop I went to a bit slow. I'm on Dinan lowering springs. Also, aren't the left and right side numbers supposed to be the same?
there is no adjustment at front... only way to get more camber is by using the M3 LCAs which give you an extra degree for around -1.8 total... or using camber plates

rear has quite a bit of adjustment...

what is a bit concerning is that you have -1.4 camber on the front left and -0.5 on the front right so either their machine is broken or you have something bent in the front end.

Yes numbers should match on both sides... so rear camber should be matching on the rear at least
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actually if you have xdrive then you can't use the M3 LCA as they don't fit
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yep, pikcachu is correct. Us xDrive folks get hosed on camber adjustability. I am deciding at the moment what to do as my B16 coilovers arrive today. It is unfortunate we have such little options....

And I echo pikcachu's concerns. They should have at least been able to match the rears. But the front numbers seem odd to me. Does the car look visually any different from side to side?

My front end has what look like decent camber considering it isn't adjustable. And it looks even to me as well. Clearly my naked eye isn't reliable, but I would think in your case one side would look maybe look off from the other?

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      06-08-2021, 07:39 AM   #5
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XDrive = Camber Plates for adjustment...
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yep, pikcachu is correct. Us xDrive folks get hosed on camber adjustability. I am deciding at the moment what to do as my B16 coilovers arrive today. It is unfortunate we have such little options....

And I echo pikcachu's concerns. They should have at least been able to match the rears. But the front numbers seem odd to me. Does the car look visually any different from side to side?

My front end has what look like decent camber considering it isn't adjustable. And it looks even to me as well. Clearly my naked eye isn't reliable, but I would think in your case one side would look maybe look off from the other?

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On One side the tire is rubbing the fender on bumps and is now basically eating up the tire
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On One side the tire is rubbing the fender on bumps and is now basically eating up the tire
If the lower control arm bushings are visually fine and look centred, it sounds as though there are bent suspension or axle carrier components, assuming the car hasn't been in a front-end accident at some point. Three common causes:
- severe pothole damage
- kerb damage due to sideways impact
- incorrect tie down when the car has been towed due to straps being attached to the suspension instead of using "J" hooks in the jacking points.
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On One side the tire is rubbing the fender on bumps and is now basically eating up the tire
If the lower control arm bushings are visually fine and look centred, it sounds as though there are bent suspension or axle carrier components, assuming the car hasn't been in a front-end accident at some point. Three common causes:
- severe pothole damage
- kerb damage due to sideways impact
- incorrect tie down when the car has been towed due to straps being attached to the suspension instead of using "J" hooks in the jacking points.
I called them and they're saying the differences between the sides are there to compensate for the weight
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I called them and they're saying the differences between the sides are there to compensate for the weight
They should be doing the alignment with 68kg on both front seats, 68kg in the middle of the back seat and 21kg in the trunk and a full tank of fuel, the BMW spec is then the same camber on both sides for the middle of the range and no more than 0.5 degrees of difference between the camber from side to side, there is no compensation for driver weight only. I would say they shouldn't be aligning BMWs if they don't know what the specs are for the alignment.

If you are getting uneven tyre wear and rubbing on one side with stock wheels and tyre sizes, there is something wrong.

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On One side the tire is rubbing the fender on bumps and is now basically eating up the tire
If the lower control arm bushings are visually fine and look centred, it sounds as though there are bent suspension or axle carrier components, assuming the car hasn't been in a front-end accident at some point. Three common causes:
- severe pothole damage
- kerb damage due to sideways impact
- incorrect tie down when the car has been towed due to straps being attached to the suspension instead of using "J" hooks in the jacking points.
I called them and they're saying the differences between the sides are there to compensate for the weight
Sounds like BS to me
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"I called them and they're saying the differences between the sides are there to compensate for the weight"

Dang. Agreeing with the others again. That is a terrible answer, and makes me think you may want to have someone else take a look. I know it is more damn money but it would at least give you piece of mind.

One of your tires is rubbing THAT badly on the fender? What's the specs on the wheels and tires are you running? And it looks like your lowered? Regardless, clearly, you should not be rubbing. I am running 19x8 effective et30 and even on the biggest g-outs I do not rub. My camber stock is plenty to keep this set up working.

Good luck, and keep us posted. i really hope you can get this squared away.
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"I called them and they're saying the differences between the sides are there to compensate for the weight"

Dang. Agreeing with the others again. That is a terrible answer, and makes me think you may want to have someone else take a look. I know it is more damn money but it would at least give you piece of mind.

One of your tires is rubbing THAT badly on the fender? What's the specs on the wheels and tires are you running? And it looks like your lowered? Regardless, clearly, you should not be rubbing. I am running 19x8 effective et30 and even on the biggest g-outs I do not rub. My camber stock is plenty to keep this set up working.

Good luck, and keep us posted. i really hope you can get this squared away.
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I'm on apex sm-10 wheels specs are 18x8.5 et35 so they are an aggressive fitment but they still shouldn't rub. Tires are only 235/40/18. And to have different camber angles makes no sense to me. Sounds like a load of bull
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I was only able to get -0.4 up front and -1.6 in the back at stock height from a reputable shop that primarily works on race/track focused BMW’s.

Having Millway street camber plates installed next week along with powerflex LCA/TA bushings. The millways allow up to -2.5° with reportedly no added NVH. Looking forward to writing a review after I’ve had them on the road for a couple weeks. They are super well made from Sweden. Shipping took about 3 weeks and total cost including shipping was $524.

Also, I have been running 235/40/18 et38 up front for months with no rubbing at -0.4 stock height. I’ve run them on track a couple times and don’t rub even at full compression. — The “compensation alignment” definitely sounds like BS to me as well.
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I'm on apex sm-10 wheels specs are 18x8.5 et35 so they are an aggressive fitment but they still shouldn't rub. Tires are only 235/40/18. And to have different camber angles makes no sense to me. Sounds like a load of bull
Great choice! I love that wheel. Pics or they don't exist on your car...

And no, they should not be rubbing. There are 2 baby M's here in town runing 245/35 no rub. One has FL-5's in the same spec as yours, on Dinan springs.

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I was only able to get -0.4 up front and -1.6 in the back at stock height from a reputable shop that primarily works on race/track focused BMW’s.

Having Millway street camber plates installed next week along with powerflex LCA/TA bushings. The millways allow up to -2.5° with reportedly no added NVH. Looking forward to writing a review after I’ve had them on the road for a couple weeks. They are super well made from Sweden. Shipping took about 3 weeks and total cost including shipping was $524.

Also, I have been running 235/40/18 et38 up front for months with no rubbing at -0.4 stock height. I’ve run them on track a couple times and don’t rub even at full compression. — The “compensation alignment” definitely sounds like BS to me as well.
So. Stinkin. Jealous. They are backordered now.... I almost went down the M4 hybrid route in order to install the aluminum M4 brace. I chickened out in the end.....

I am very much looking forward to your review... If it is positive then I will backorder these and instgall them down the road....

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I'm on apex sm-10 wheels specs are 18x8.5 et35 so they are an aggressive fitment but they still shouldn't rub. Tires are only 235/40/18. And to have different camber angles makes no sense to me. Sounds like a load of bull
Great choice! I love that wheel. Pics or they don't exist on your car...

And no, they should not be rubbing. There are 2 baby M's here in town runing 245/35 no rub. One has FL-5's in the same spec as yours, on Dinan springs.

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Here are those pics you ordered 😉
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Those look great!

pics of my car later. I think I am actually going to drive it today...

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Morn!

I found my post in the wheels forum.

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show...&postcount=277

I took some fresh pics from the side as well. I will post those hopefully later today.

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