03-07-2023, 12:40 AM | #1519 |
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Been sitting by eating the popcorn to see if anyone would bring this point up. Yes, there is a 2035 mandate. Many would agree based on how EV tech is progressing that it'll miss the target of being a true replacement for ICE vehicles by that date if it even ever does. But this 2035 mandate isn't set in stone. Yes, it's been legislated but with any legislation, it can be changed. It's not as if by 2035 fossil fuels will be gone. Nor that by 2035, the planet is going to be the next Venus. Those arguing against the 2035 mandate haven't pulled this all together into one succinct thing which is we do have the power to make the change. Just vote the people out of office. 2024 is coming up soon. If change doesn't happen with the next election then we have no one else to blame but ourselves.
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03-07-2023, 02:53 AM | #1520 |
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The factories are churning out 1000s of clones of the same every minute.
Selling them at a cut price is an attempt to keep selling them as if sales fall share prices fall and if production needs to slow down there are greater losses as maintaining these factories at full steam and cutting price per unit is the less painful option. All good unless you own a tesla and your current cars resale plummeted or if you are looking to buy a tesla as more cuts will come so wait. |
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03-07-2023, 05:22 AM | #1522 |
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The reckoning is coming also due to people losing their jobs or costs from inflation. I still maintain most of the cars purchased these past couple of years are from people that didn't need them but just wanted something flashy and new. People flush with extra cash from all the stimulus money that had more dollars than sense. With inflation making daily living with paying for basic needs being more expensive, something is going to have to give. Loan defaults and repos are also putting pressure on used car prices and by default new car prices too. Then we also have people starting to lose their jobs.
My mom actually needed a car during this insane car market as her previous car's engine took a major dump. Fortunately, I was able to get her into a car paying just MSRP. I also purchased during this crazy stupid period. I bought a new S1000RR; granted it's a motorcycle. I bought it for $500 under sticker. I had a line I wouldn't cross. I wasn't going to pay over sticker. As far as resale goes, that's a non consideration for both my mom and myself. We typically hold on to our vehicles till the wheels fall off. The only car I actually traded in was way back in '93/94. Since then, my other cars were done in when one had a head gasket failure that wasn't worth the expense to do the repairs so it got junked and the other was taken out by a deer so insurance totaled the car and took possession of it. One car I sold to one of the car buying services and was the only car I've purchased used. |
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03-07-2023, 05:31 AM | #1523 | |
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Another factor is.... 1.less ice is being sold/produced over past few years (especially post covid) as therewas demand for evs.. 2.more customers are looking for used ice than used ev.(autotrader data) ... there are 1000's upon 1000's of lease end teslas hitting the used market. All cars will take a beating given the recession but evs are on a different trajectory of depreciation. But a good quality ice is still holding value better purely because there is less of it around to buy. |
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Also if some new charging method comes out that shortens the time to recharge a battery pack, the demand for previous gen cars will drop due to this. This is assuming any future charging upgrade will be backwards compatible with previous EVs. Which goes back to how ICE has been so successful. Gas is gas. Any new and future ICE vehicles will run on current gas formulations. |
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03-07-2023, 06:37 AM | #1525 |
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Must bring on second thoughts of that shiny EV dropping like a stone in value as soon as you buy it like no other ICE car
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But when you factor in the extra depreciation and insurance costs etc for mass market ev when the lease end comes the cost per mile of your ev may be equal to this if not more |
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03-07-2023, 07:16 AM | #1527 |
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Regarding synthetic fuels Surely track cars and performance cars and such who need light weight and performance around corners need this than battery packs. The cynic in me thinks carbon accounting will make it look green as it will be classed as from waste etc. I haven't looked into it but taking out what's needed from the earth using infrastructure and processes and technologies that are already there for track use etc come the time seems to be the green sustainable thing but don't tell anybody :-) |
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03-07-2023, 07:35 AM | #1528 |
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Synthetic fuel is best served for motor sports.
They’re not going to make a mass transition into synthetic for the general public. Get your home chargers ready
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In the US context 2035 may be met as it covers new vehicle sales in a small number of states… |
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Aside from that I always wanted to know what R/T means on an American muscle car and finally looked it up! Road and Track. |
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Voting out the current administration would send a signal down to the local level that these policies are not going to be tolerated anymore. |
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Forcing all states to adopt one policy or the other means you’ll have some states being forced into a position that their citizens don’t agree with. Confusing to me how you’d see that as a better outcome… Quote:
But I forget that those who care about federalism only care about it for issues they like and not for issues they don’t like. |
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There are times when even the voted representatives for the constituents get it wrong massively. I'll just point to the debacle that is the recent DC crime bill. It's not an unknown platform about how the one party views what is appropriate with prosecuting crimes. With the elections coming, it's pretty obvious why the President made a 180 with supporting the overturn of this idiotic crime bill. Faced with all of this, guess what the DC council did? Pull back the bill. |
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With all of this pressure from the increased demand, do people really think prices per kWh will stay the same? It's only going to go up. To add to the issue, those of us that don't own EVs will be subsidizing those that do own them through higher power bills. |
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03-07-2023, 10:20 AM | #1538 |
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Yep. And if the supporters of this EV plan are really serious about making this all work, they'd be announcing the construction of nuclear power plants now as it takes time to clear all the planning/regulatory stuff before construction can even begin. Yet, we hear crickets on that front too.
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I don’t know what’s so complicated to understand that nuclear is the most green energy of all. The whole country should be powered by nuclear. Instead, they’d rather kill birds with windmills and prevent spawning salmon from migrating with hydroelectric. |
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You can’t have it both ways. Either you support Federalism or you don’t. People in IL don’t need to meddle in the politics of CA. Leave that to the Californians. The current model for ICE bans in the US is the appropriate model for our system. Irrespective of your feelings on the feasibility of reaching the target. |
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