[baege]

When I was searching for a replacement for my 2016 Cayman S, the only vehicle that really stirred me and gave me that "I want this" feeling was a 2016 Jaguar F type R.

That car was beautiful, had instant throttle response with gobs of torque and amazing sound. I wanted it.

But alas that car was too impractical and expensive for the confines of domestic compromise.

Running out of options after trying many cars, I tried the m240i after seeing some very positive reviews. I was surprised how much I liked it, the b58 is a peach of an engine, and the turbo lag was among the least i have ever experienced. I liked its small dimensions and comfortable ride.

So I ordered an m240i xdrive, which sat well with my partner. She really liked the dimensions of the car and its easy fun manner. She loves "baby bimma"

While I have enjoyed the car, it doesn't feed the passion. I still want that f type.

Wondering if the 2015 and up c63 sedan might be the closest I can come to that f type...

I am going to test drive one, but interested in hearing the perspectives of others who have experiences with both the c63 and 2 series...

[RoundelM3]

An F80 M3 sedan would be a better choice than a C63, particularly if equipped with the Competition package. Mercedes C-series is equivalent size to BMW 3-series.

[petegtsv10]

C63 has a de-tuned version of the 4.0 V8 bi-turbo that I have in my AMG GTS. I think that is one of the most amazing feeling and sounding engines I've ever had! Does the C63 also have the DCT or is it an auto?

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by RoundelM3

An F80 M3 sedan would be a better choice than a C63, particularly if equipped with the Competition package. Mercedes C-series is equivalent size to BMW 3-series.

+1. The comparable BMW is the 3 Series...at MB, our 2 Series would compare to the CLA, a complete non-starter. I suggest a small bit of patience. The new G20 platform 3 Series will be revealed shortly. All early press reports are excellent, and a significant leap over the current F platform 3 Series. That new M3 would be the superior candidate. BTW, I came from MB, although not a AMG. I believe the data supports that you will find a difference in quality/reliability in BMW's favor.

[USA-RET]

Your best bet is to test drive one for yourself. The MB is more comparable to an M3 than the M240i in performance. MB is going to be more expensive to own and maintain since MB doesn't provide any included maintenance and fairly confident overall service pricing is higher than BMW. I think the M3 BMW will be considerably less expensive to purchase than the C63 MB. The two car should be closely matched performance-wise. Most agree that the Interiors of the MB are better than the BMW's. Of course, the M3 badge is iconic when it comes to performance cars.

That being said, if you want a bit more "umph", I'd consider a tune on the M240i which will put it very close to the M3 and C63 0-60 1/4 mile times.

FWIW, I traded a 2015 C7 for my M240i. Main reason for trade was the horrible A8 transmission. Also I found I wasn't able to use all the brute performance the car had in daily use so I figured the M240i was a smart move..

I added a Dinan Stage 1 and after doing so, I think my little coupe is pretty close to the C7 in straight on acceleration. I'm talking maybe a couple of .tenths difference between the two, but hardly noticeable unless I was racing one. Butt Dyno and overall feel, the M240i w/ a tune can provide a white knuckle ride I had in the C7 and perhaps stir the passion you speak of.

[baege]

Originally Posted by petegtsv10

C63 has a de-tuned version of the 4.0 V8 bi-turbo that I have in my AMG GTS. I think that is one of the most amazing feeling and sounding engines I've ever had! Does the C63 also have the DCT or is it an auto?

yes it is that engine that attracts me, closest compact sedan out there to the ftype r beast of a motor...but no DCT, it's a slushbox but apparently not a horrible one

[baege]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

+1. The comparable BMW is the 3 Series...at MB, our 2 Series would compare to the CLA, a complete non-starter. I suggest a small bit of patience. The new G20 platform 3 Series will be revealed shortly. All early press reports are excellent, and a significant leap over the current F platform 3 Series. That new M3 would be the superior candidate. BTW, I came from MB, although not a AMG. I believe the data supports that you will find a difference in quality/reliability in BMW's favor.

the c63's v8 is what attracts me, which even the g20 m3 won't offer, it will likely be powered by an s58...

but interesting point re quality/reliability

[baege]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

Your best bet is to test drive one for yourself. The MB is more comparable to an M3 than the M240i in performance. MB is going to be more expensive to own and maintain since MB doesn't provide any included maintenance and fairly confident overall service pricing is higher than BMW. I think the M3 BMW will be considerably less expensive to purchase than the C63 MB. The two car should be closely matched performance-wise. Most agree that the Interiors of the MB are better than the BMW's. Of course, the M3 badge is iconic when it comes to performance cars.

That being said, if you want a bit more "umph", I'd consider a tune on the M240i which will put it very close to the M3 and C63 0-60 1/4 mile times.

FWIW, I traded a 2015 C7 for my M240i. Main reason for trade was the horrible A8 transmission. Also I found I wasn't able to use all the brute performance the car had in daily use so I figured the M240i was a smart move..

I added a Dinan Stage 1 and after doing so, I think my little coupe is pretty close to the C7 in straight on acceleration. I'm talking maybe a couple of .tenths difference between the two, but hardly noticeable unless I was racing one. Butt Dyno and overall feel, the M240i w/ a tune can provide a white knuckle ride I had in the C7 and perhaps stir the passion you speak of.

funny I also had a c7, 2 cars before the m240i, and yes the m240i even without the tune is one quick car, it's not the straight line performance, it's the turbo lag and sound...it just can't compare in these areas to a v8, not sure about lag on the c63, conflicting stories out there on the internet on that...shockingly

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by baege

the c63's v8 is what attracts me, which even the g20 m3 won't offer, it will likely be powered by an s58...

but interesting point re quality/reliability

New M5 has a nice V8

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/26115...n-first-drive/

[XutvJet]

Do you value reliability and cost of maintenance? If so, I wouldn't consider the C63. I sure as HELL wouldn't consider a Jag. LOL

[morphomeman]

The title indicates that you want to swap the 240 for the C63 but the two vehicles are not at all comparable. One is a small coupe, the other a somewhat larger sedan, equivalent in most respects to a 3-series. Also, the C63 base price is about $15,000 more than that of the M240. And the one-year difference will mean a $30,000 cost at least
So, yes, if you want a larger, more expensive, less tossable vehicle, and don't care about money, go for it. But don't think about comparing it to the 2-series in any of its guises.
That said, anyone who can even think about trading in a one-year-old car because it lacks the pizzazz of a Jaguar will likely not be satisfied regardless.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by baege

When I was searching for a replacement for my 2016 Cayman S, the only vehicle that really stirred me and gave me that "I want this" feeling was a 2016 Jaguar F type R.

That car was beautiful, had instant throttle response with gobs of torque and amazing sound. I wanted it.

But alas that car was too impractical and expensive for the confines of domestic compromise.

Running out of options after trying many cars, I tried the m240i after seeing some very positive reviews. I was surprised how much I liked it, the b58 is a peach of an engine, and the turbo lag was among the least i have ever experienced. I liked its small dimensions and comfortable ride.

So I ordered an m240i xdrive, which sat well with my partner. She really liked the dimensions of the car and its easy fun manner. She loves "baby bimma"

While I have enjoyed the car, it doesn't feed the passion. I still want that f type.

Wondering if the 2015 and up c63 sedan might be the closest I can come to that f type...

I am going to test drive one, but interested in hearing the perspectives of others who have experiences with both the c63 and 2 series...

Why not the c63 coupe?

The engine sounds great and it looks much better than the sedan

[albertw]

RWD was a big plus for me. But, despite that it's set up for major understeer. I suppose I could have tuned that out with bigger front wheels & tires or fiddling with sway bars, but I didn't think it was worth it, considering all the points already made in this thread.

It was, however, the only serious alternative to the m240i for me. (I also looked at the RS3, but decided early on I didn't want AWD.)

[baege]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

New M5 has a nice V8

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/26115...n-first-drive/

I thought about a cpo m550i (the M5 is too much money for me), but that car is a little big for me

I like compact cars and I can not lie (the c63 is pretty compact)

[baege]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

The title indicates that you want to swap the 240 for the C63 but the two vehicles are not at all comparable. One is a small coupe, the other a somewhat larger sedan, equivalent in most respects to a 3-series. Also, the C63 base price is about $15,000 more than that of the M240. And the one-year difference will mean a $30,000 cost at least
So, yes, if you want a larger, more expensive, less tossable vehicle, and don't care about money, go for it. But don't think about comparing it to the 2-series in any of its guises.
That said, anyone who can even think about trading in a one-year-old car because it lacks the pizzazz of a Jaguar will likely not be satisfied regardless.

I am looking at cpo c63's, so yes there is a money factor but it's not huge

but I will admit I do suffer from carswitchitis...

[baege]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Why not the c63 coupe?

The engine sounds great and it looks much better than the sedan

the 4 door thing makes the financial aspect of the change more palatable to the missus

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by baege

the 4 door thing makes the financial aspect of the change more palatable to the missus

[petegtsv10]

Originally Posted by baege

funny I also had a c7, 2 cars before the m240i, and yes the m240i even without the tune is one quick car, it's not the straight line performance, it's the turbo lag and sound...it just can't compare in these areas to a v8, not sure about lag on the c63, conflicting stories out there on the internet on that...shockingly

I just sold my C7 and thought it was fairly quick..........it was a ZO6 (advertised 0-60 in 2.8s)

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by baege

I do suffer from carswitchitis...

Given any thought to wifeswitchitis - I hear that's a thing, too.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by baege

but I will admit I do suffer from carswitchitis...

Originally Posted by dradernh

Given any thought to wifeswitchitis - I hear that's a thing, too.

One revolving door costs a lot less to spin than the other.....

[RoundelM3]

If you really want a V8, look for a nice pre-owned 2013 M3 (sedan or coupe) with the S65 V8. Far better than any MB in terms of being a driver's car, and not over-engineered like MBs are. I have a friend with a C-series convertible and he's had no end of problems with it - nothing major, but a lot of small things like the "power" trunk lid, the infotainment system, and so forth. Visits to the MB dealer were expensive, more so than maintenance on either of his BMWs.

[baege]

Originally Posted by RoundelM3

If you really want a V8, look for a nice pre-owned 2013 M3 (sedan or coupe) with the S65 V8. Far better than any MB in terms of being a driver's car, and not over-engineered like MBs are. I have a friend with a C-series convertible and he's had no end of problems with it - nothing major, but a lot of small things like the "power" trunk lid, the infotainment system, and so forth. Visits to the MB dealer were expensive, more so than maintenance on either of his BMWs.

definitely was on my radar and test drove 2 of them, but I am a torque fiend and the s65 just doesn't deliver in that area