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      11-19-2023, 03:01 PM   #485
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I still wonder, if there hadn't been any SC/VSC, I think LEC would've won.
He was better in managing tyres, he overtook Max in lap 16 or so.
With that Max had to go for a 2 stop. Lec maybe too, but his stints would've been more optimized.

But it's all 'if'. A big part of strategy is also how you handle SC's, making the split decision then and there.
Don't think so . But !
I agree that Charlie was (a bit)! faster than MAX in the first 10-15 laps "with the mediums" .
But once they ran "with hards" MAX was faster .
MAX couldn't lose this race .

Interesting fact...'
One set Pirelli mediums runs really well , while the other mediums set runs really bad .
Let's keep in mind that the Pirelli tyre production process is Italian and Turkish .
But the real stuff , the Pirelli rubber compounds are made in the industrial complex of "Settimo Torinese" (Northwest Italy)!
So sometimes it s@cks just like the #FerrariThings !

I'm pretty sure you know what I mean
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Another record falls to Red Bull as Merc's one is beaten at Las Vegas.
20/21 races won with Abu Dhabi to go next weekend.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-s...d-in-las-vegas
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Another record falls to Red Bull as Merc's one is beaten at Las Vegas.
20/21 races won with Abu Dhabi to go next weekend.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-s...d-in-las-vegas
Sure . But MAX is the reason why , with his highest record percentage of wins in one season of 81.81% (so far)!
That's why the Red Bull Team beats the Mercedes record .

MAX 'IS the Red Bull Team .
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I still wonder, if there hadn't been any SC/VSC, I think LEC would've won.
Yes. but SC meant Ferrari didn't get new tires. when you are in front you can't react to the people behind you, you have to have every scenario imagined and then have a plan before hand.

not "we are checking" when the scenario appears suddenly.
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Yes. but SC meant Ferrari didn't get new tires. when you are in front you can't react to the people behind you, you have to have every scenario imagined and then have a plan before hand.

not "we are checking" when the scenario appears suddenly.
Yeah . We'll come back to you with plan A !
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Sure . But MAX is the reason why , with his highest record percentage of wins in one season of 81.81% (so far)!
That's why the Red Bull Team beats the Mercedes record .

MAX 'IS the Red Bull Team .
Of course there is no doubting that, Max's 18 wins this year to Checo's 2 is as clear as the driven snow.
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Yes. but SC meant Ferrari didn't get new tires. when you are in front you can't react to the people behind you, you have to have every scenario imagined and then have a plan before hand.

not "we are checking" when the scenario appears suddenly.
It's a lesson HAM learnt the hard way by not having new tires at '21 Abu Dhabi after Williams crash, a real schoolboy mistake by his strat man.
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Sure . But MAX is the reason why , with his highest record percentage of wins in one season of 81.81% (so far)!
MAX 'IS the Red Bull Team .
You need to pace yourself, Abu Dhabi is the last race for the year
It will be months after that before the 2024 season starts.
Do we need to set up a 12step Formula One program for you?
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Yeah . We'll come back to you with plan A !
I honestly can't believe that Chas didn't take advantage of the SC when both RB's did for fresh tires, Ferrari simply rode their luck too long, no snap thinking like with Hannah, it actually leaves my mouth agape at times
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I really enjoyed the race, expecting it to be ever better next year.
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Max is on another level then Checo. 100%. Ferrari had better place than RB though, for Checo to bring the fight to him was pretty impressive. A few times I thought Checo was going to pull away, but Charles kept him reeled in.

Max showed that his dirty side is still present... I was not impressed with his turn 1 shenanigans, and his pass on George was overly aggressive, had Checo done either of those every Max fan would be talking about how dirty of a racer he is.
Max's turn 1 was nowhere near dirty IMO, and they kept it clean. And Rus, sorry, but you need to be able to check you mirrors and not turn in on someone. Per had the same happen, but he didnt hit Lec because he had the awareness and knowledge he was going for the move and backed out a bit to avoid the contact.
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Max is on another level then Checo. 100%. Ferrari had better place than RB though, for Checo to bring the fight to him was pretty impressive. A few times I thought Checo was going to pull away, but Charles kept him reeled in.

Max showed that his dirty side is still present... I was not impressed with his turn 1 shenanigans, and his pass on George was overly aggressive, had Checo done either of those every Max fan would be talking about how dirty of a racer he is.
Checo was running a larger wing so he couldn't get away from Ferrari with the smaller wing.
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It's a lesson HAM learnt the hard way by not having new tires at '21 Abu Dhabi after Williams crash, a real schoolboy mistake by his strat man.
Different scenario. LEC had only 6 laps on the hards and had shown much better deg management on his medium stint than VER. With 20 laps to go they felt track position was better than the what they believed would we be somewhat equal pace and better deg. VER didnít beat him because his tires were 6 laps fresher either - he beat him because from the restart to the checkered flag VERís pace advantage on the hards was fairly large. The 6 extra laps on LEC tires at that point were not enough to cause that great a delta and VER would have got him either way. HAM had 2 laps to go on old tires needing to fire them up after a safety car when his opponent moved to fresh softs - so much more grip with the added bonuses of firing them much more quickly and not needing to make them last a full stint.
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Should Las Vegas and Miami/Austin switch dates?

Do you think to F1 wil consider such a move?
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Should Las Vegas and Miami/Austin switch dates?

Do you think to F1 wil consider such a move?
LV and COTA wouldnít be awful from a weather standpoint. LV in May could be a crapshoot. Assuming they run at night would likely be better in Oct for LV. Austin in Nov is usually pretty pleasant. We hit almost 100 here the first couple of days of the USGP - usually not quite that warm but can still be pretty hot at that time. Fortunate the cold didnít set in quite as hard as they thought in LV this weekend. Both could be pretty ugly in May though.
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I honestly can't believe that Chas didn't take advantage of the SC when both RB's did for fresh tires, Ferrari simply rode their luck too long, no snap thinking like with Hannah, it actually leaves my mouth agape at times
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You need to pace yourself, Abu Dhabi is the last race for the year
It will be months after that before the 2024 season starts.
Do we need to set up a 12step Formula One program for you?
Mate . Do you really think I'm not aware that (next weekend)! Abu Dhabi is the last race of the season ?

BTW : Spa-Francorchamps is already added at the 2024 and 2025 F1 race calendar.
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Charlie's first pit was going too slow . It was the right front wheel . It took 4.7 sec.

My last wish this season is that Ferrari beats Mercedes in the WCC !
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It's a lesson HAM learnt the hard way by not having new tires at '21 Abu Dhabi after Williams crash, a real schoolboy mistake by his strat man.
Unfortunately no that was not correct.

HAM cannot pit because there was only a few laps remaining and he didn't have enough of a gap to come out in front. With only a few laps remaining, normally the race will finish with a SC because there wasn't enough laps to fix the the problem and get all lapped cars free. But objectively speaking, those standard safety car rules were not followed, Masi instead applied a never before seen 'the race director can call in safety car whenever he wants' clause.

SO - If he pits, Max will stay out, gaining track position, and the race might finish as it normally would, and Max would win

If he doesn't pit, Max will pit, as Max has nothing to lose as he will still come out second.

So the reason HAM was not able to pit was he didn't have enough of a gap.

The reason he didn't have enough of a gap was because of a guy called Sergio Perez. Without Perez intervention LH will have more than enough gap.

Therefore the reason Ham didn't pit was Sergio Perez.

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What an enjoyable race, quite the surprise!
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Max started the weekend off like a 3 year old throwing himself on the supermarket floor because his parents wouldnít buy him a kinder surprise. Heís quite a unique individual. Childlike, even though he had no childhood. Sort of genetically engineered to be the perfect competitor.

Incredibly talented in open space but quite an asshole when racing. But it gets him wins. Not a gentleman like Fernando or even Sergio. Just an asshole. But a winning asshole.

Hopefully he will gain some maturity and decency as he gets older. It will make him a better driver and a better person.

Oh yes. The race was spectacular. One of the best of the year. Well done USA and Vegas. You did an awesome job.
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Unfortunately no that was not correct.

HAM cannot pit because there was only a few laps remaining and he didn't have enough of a gap to come out in front. With only a few laps remaining, normally the race will finish with a SC because there wasn't enough laps to fix the the problem and get all lapped cars free. But objectively speaking, those standard safety car rules were not followed, Masi instead applied a never before seen 'the race director can call in safety car whenever he wants' clause.

SO - If he pits, Max will stay out, gaining track position, and the race might finish as it normally would, and Max would win

If he doesn't pit, Max will pit, as Max has nothing to lose as he will still come out second.

So the reason HAM was not able to pit was he didn't have enough of a gap.

The reason he didn't have enough of a gap was because of a guy called Sergio Perez. Without Perez intervention LH will have more than enough gap.

Therefore the reason Ham didn't pit was Sergio Perez.
That's all very well but HAM must have known he had probably more chance with a quicker car and fresh softs irrespective of whether Perez was in the way.
In any case he was told to stay out.
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