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      11-30-2023, 03:12 PM   #309
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I re-watched the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP this morning while getting some time in on the stationary bike, and a particular event on Turn 9 stood out to me... looked really familiar.

Max runs Hamilton WAY wide, Max is barely on track himself let alone leaving room for Hamilton. Hamilton doesn't turn in, just runs through the corner to keep the place. Max complains that he needs the position back, no further investigation.

Checo runs Norris wide, but there's still room for at least 2 cars, one on track, one partially on the curb. Norris turns in on Checo and hits him, then turns and runs through the corner to keep the place. 5 second penalty.

One of these drivers got a penalty, and it's not the one who deserved it, imo.

I'm not trying to point fingers here at Max or anything like that, but when the rules aren't equally applied, it makes you scratch your head. The result of that call is Ferrari lost 2nd place in the championship, and Checo lost out on another podium.
LEW is the champion in running too wide , running off track and exceeding the track limits .
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LEW is the champion in running too wide , running off track and exceeding the track limits .
Brings up point about Checo being unduly penalized. Let's figure out how to bring lewis into it.


Lewis was avoiding running into Russel, who gave him no room between turn 1 and 2. Instead of turning into Russel, like Lando did to Checo, he decided to just accept that it was lap 1 and he wasn't going to get penalized and avoided the accident...
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All in good spirits there!
these guys are fierce competitors on track, friends off track. they've known each other for a long time.

the paddock is not a big place, after all the press conferences are done, you still have to have a beer with someone and visit people for Christmas.

i think these guys show what humanity can and should be, the antithesis of the internet and social media.
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Brings up point about Checo being unduly penalized. Let's figure out how to bring lewis into it.


Lewis was avoiding running into Russel, who gave him no room between turn 1 and 2. Instead of turning into Russel, like Lando did to Checo, he decided to just accept that it was lap 1 and he wasn't going to get penalized and avoided the accident...
Yeah , right ...In the 2021 Bahrain GP too !

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these guys are fierce competitors on track, friends off track. they've known each other for a long time.

the paddock is not a big place, after all the press conferences are done, you still have to have a beer with someone and visit people for Christmas.

i think these guys show what humanity can and should be, the antithesis of the internet and social media.
Totally agree
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All in good spirits there!
these guys are fierce competitors on track, friends off track. they've known each other for a long time.
the paddock is not a big place, after all the press conferences are done, you still have to have a beer with someone and visit people for Christmas.
i think these guys show what humanity can and should be, the antithesis of the internet and social media.
Totally agree
2021 FIA Prize-Giving Ceremony and sportsmanship:
  • 01:29:10 to 01:29:55: Lewis Hamilton doesn't collect his FIA Personality Of The Year 2021 trophy, sends no-one to collect his trophy
  • 02:03:43 to 02:04:01: Lewis Hamilton doesn't collect his 2021 WDC #2 trophy, sends no-one to collect his trophy
  • 02:04:02 to 02:06:10: Toto Wolff doesn't collect the 2021 WCC trophy, sends James Allison to the FIA gala event + Valtteri Bottas (who did no interview on stage when collecting his WDC #3 trophy)
"Hamilton, Wolff won't attend FIA prize-giving gala
Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes Formula 1 team boss Toto Wolff will miss this evening's FIA prize-giving gala, amid their ongoing anger at the events of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
Motorsport.com - Updated Dec 18, 2021, 1:12 AM
While Mercedes has elected to drop its appeal into the FIA's handling of the late-race safety car restart in the F1 season finale, the German car manufacturer remains deeply unhappy about the way the events were handled.
Mercedes had already elected not to send its championship-winning F1 and Formula E cars to Paris for pre-gala photographs, and it has now been confirmed that neither Hamilton nor Wolff will attend.
Speaking to media on Thursday, Wolff said that the squad would be represented to pick up its constructors' championship trophy by its chief technical officer James Allison.
"Both of us won't be there," explained Wolff, when asked if he or Hamilton would be travelling to Paris for the end of season event.
"I won't be there because of my loyalty to Lewis and because of my own personal integrity.
"But we will be represented as a team by James Alison, who will be taking the trophy on behalf of all the people in Brackley and Brixworth who should celebrate our eighth consecutive world championship title, who deserve to be celebrated, because it's a fantastic achievement that we are very proud of."
Wolff admitted that he found it hard to balance the joy of Mercedes winning its eighth constructors' championship against the fury he has with the way the FIA's decisions in the closing stages cost Hamilton the drivers' crown.
"In a way I'm trying to compartmentalize the anger on the outcome of the F1 drivers' championship and, on the other side, the pride and the joy of having achieved something unprecedented and that needs to be celebrated."
Hamilton's absence from the FIA prize gala is a breach of F1's sporting regulations, which makes it mandatory for the top three finishers in the championship to attend.
Article 6.6 of F1's Sporting Regulations states: "The drivers finishing first, second and third in the Championship must be present at the annual FIA Prize Giving ceremony."
It is unclear whether or not the FIA will impose any sanction on Hamilton for not going to the event."

(source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...-gala/6885858/)
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Hamilton's absence from the FIA prize gala is a breach of F1's sporting regulations, which makes it mandatory for the top three finishers in the championship to attend.
Article 6.6 of F1's Sporting Regulations states: "The drivers finishing first, second and third in the Championship must be present at the annual FIA Prize Giving ceremony."
It is unclear whether or not the FIA will impose any sanction on Hamilton for not going to the event.
It appears in the end that Lewis Hamilton received a 'slap on the hand' by Ben Sulayem after agreeing to pay 50k euros to a student that was looking for sponsorship to get into motor racing.
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It appears in the end that Lewis Hamilton received a 'slap on the hand' by Ben Sulayem after agreeing to pay 50k euros to a student that was looking for sponsorship to get into motor racing.
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At Baku this year, strange it's not in Paris, looking forward to this.
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89 days until the Bahrain race so not that long to go
What ?!?! There was a RB19 cake !



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What ?!?! There was a RB19 cake !



Great looking race car cake and I like Checo and Max's attempt at modern art at the end
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What ?!?! There was a RB19 cake !

Awesome cake.

but what was more impressive was his pull straight into the 1 spot after his donut... incredible. I'd surely be facing sideways and probably would have hit the wall.
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Awesome cake.

but what was more impressive was his pull straight into the 1 spot after his donut... incredible. I'd surely be facing sideways and probably would have hit the wall.
Spot on !

Well mate , that's what I said from the first moment that I watched MAX's donuts .
These donuts were executed with scalpel precision !

Damn ....What a driver !
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Max being Max...no explanation (hey that mirrors what goes here...the mystery deletes)

Verstappen's Absence: Max Verstappen, the current F1 World Champion, broke with an informal tradition by not showing up at the traditional post-season driver's meal, where he was expected to pay for everyone's dinner.

“The hidden agreement usually is that the world champion pays.”
Although that wasn’t the case at last year’s dinner when Verstappen got away with not paying once again.

He's a repeat cheapskate...
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Max being Max...no explanation (hey that mirrors what goes here...the mystery deletes)

Verstappen's Absence: Max Verstappen, the current F1 World Champion, broke with an informal tradition by not showing up at the traditional post-season driver's meal, where he was expected to pay for everyone's dinner.

“The hidden agreement usually is that the world champion pays.”
Although that wasn’t the case at last year’s dinner when Verstappen got away with not paying once again.

He's a repeat cheapskate...
Among those, who didn't appear to be there was , Haas pairing, Logan Sargeant, Esteban Ocon and Fernando Alonso.
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None of whom were expected to pick up the check. Face it, he's seen as a winning loser.
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Max being Max...no explanation (hey that mirrors what goes here...the mystery deletes)

Verstappen's Absence: Max Verstappen, the current F1 World Champion, broke with an informal tradition by not showing up at the traditional post-season driver's meal, where he was expected to pay for everyone's dinner.

“The hidden agreement usually is that the world champion pays.”
Although that wasn’t the case at last year’s dinner when Verstappen got away with not paying once again.

He's a repeat cheapskate...
He probably had his reasons and may be that he's not 'one of the lads' anymore.
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He probably had his reasons and may be that he's not 'one of the lads' anymore.
He never was.
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He never was.
He has Kelly now and prefers to eat with her
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Wonder if he's still a virgin? Wouldn't surprise.

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