[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

The price guide has been out for the CLA45. It definitely will be a more expensive car, as it should. If a M2 comes out, it will be comparable in price to the CLA45. Not to mention getting a BMW near invoice is the norm. Good luck doing that on the CLA45 right now.

Good point. Depends on your MB dealer.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Jockey

If BMW, and I'm thinking more if, I would say a very limited production then, much like the 1M.

Especially with the "dream" specs most people here want, it'll never happen. It would take too much market share away from the M235, get too close to M3/M4 specs. IMHO, the gap between the models is getting smaller.

I would say if the M235 didn't exist and was just a normal 235, then maybe we would see an M2. I just don't think so anymore.

Maybe I'm wrong, I know that'll make a lot of people happy.

IF they do make one and it is also a limited production I'm going to be really pissed - I would have gotten a 1M in a heartbeat...if there was one to be had - there just weren't - which was a combination of the low numbers and me not getting going early enough in the "trying to get one".

I also wasn't willing to pay an artificial premium for one - that BMW themselves created by telling everyone there was a limited production. Could have produced the same number of cars and just said that they would make as many as it made sense to make....some dealers were marking them up to insane numbers.

If there's a normal production run with the M2, there won't be an artificial price premium, and it will be the "obtainable" M car that the 1M was meant to be

[GFK007]

given the cost of an M sport 435i, with a performance exhaust and a spoiler and diffuser, I personally think the M235i is a damn good deal at 44k.

I need a set of 19's, and the M performance suspension, and I am good to go.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GFK007

given the cost of an M sport 435i, with a performance exhaust and a spoiler and diffuser, I personally think the M235i is a damn good deal at 44k.

I need a set of 19's, and the M performance suspension, and I am good to go.

I wish we knew what the 19s would look like

[Envyscorpio]

I'm confused with Msport suspension and the Msport "sports" suspension!?!?!?!?
So order Msport brakes from the get go it's in blue and if aftermarket it comes with red, orange and yellow?

Only option that is really smart is to offer LSD for the track junkies

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

If there's a normal production run with the M2, there won't be an artificial price premium, and it will be the "obtainable" M car that the 1M was meant to be

I think BMW knew exactly what they were doing with the 1M making it exclusive. And remember, there was an artificial price premium on the E92 M3 back in '08 in a lot of places.

I just don't see BMW making a full production M car below the M3. The M3 has been their baby for a while now and that is probably never going to change except for one year here and there.

[devilsnake]

wider/higher/longer than E82 Coupe.

And how about the gearbox,no more DCT?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I think BMW knew exactly what they were doing with the 1M making it exclusive. And remember, there was an artificial price premium on the E92 M3 back in '08 in a lot of places.

I just don't see BMW making a full production M car below the M3. The M3 has been their baby for a while now and that is probably never going to change except for one year here and there.

You're probably right. Bastards !

I would agree if the M3 hadn't become such a balloon. Or if they were still making a Z4MC. Gotta have a little, relatively light performance coupe. At least if you wanna still use the "ultimate driving machine" moniker.

[BQTuning]

I see a lot of N54 owners going to the M235 as a second choice car if they are not able to pocket the M4

I have a funny feeling though, there will be a M235is with DCT in the last couple of years of the N55 motor like they did the N54

<3 M234 + DCT

[Greenkirby21]

Originally Posted by Envyscorpio

I'm confused with Msport suspension and the Msport "sports" suspension!?!?!?!?
So order Msport brakes from the get go it's in blue and if aftermarket it comes with red, orange and yellow?

Only option that is really smart is to offer LSD for the track junkies

If its like the F30, its like follows: Msport Brakes (on M235i) are standard. For I believe around ~2000 dollars you can get the "BMW Performance Brakes" which are red, yellow, or orange. Same brakes except you get drilled rotors. A big waste IMO.

For the suspension, the BMW M235i comes standard with variable M sport suspension. This is tighter and lower than the sport suspension, and you can change the damper settings via the iDrive. The BMW Performance M suspension is a fixed suspension set up, and is even more sporty (I think on the F30 10 mm lower).

So for suspension, it goes something like this

Standard (i.e 228i)
Fixed Sport (228i)
Variable M Sport (M235i, option on 228i)
M Performance Suspension

[ska///235i]

Really loving this m235
Timing is perfect too....by the time im ready my e90 will be 10 years old so its a perfect excuse to buy a m235

[Jadar]

Somebody hurry the f$&@ up and photo shop this thing in estoril blue, white and charcoal!!! Already

[jhv]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Really loving this m235
Timing is perfect too....by the time im ready my e90 will be 10 years old so its a perfect excuse to buy a m235

[e92dave]

Very unusual rear... I like it actually more so than f30. It definitely wont be mistaken for any other bimmer

[wdeerfield]

looks so great! why would anyone in their right mind buy a 428i after seeing that this has the same horsepower and 20k less and its lighter!

sign me up for a 228i xdrive msport

[newoldbeemer]

I like it! They didn't over-"bling" the design like I had feared.

I guess this will also get the electric steering.

4 series suddenly looks pointless to me.

[KellyK]

i like how similar it looks to the 1 series, yet updated in all the right ways. the face is awesome, the options are awesome...cant wait for this thing at a dealer. and hopefully talk of an m2 very soon!

[johndeere]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

looks so great! why would anyone in their right mind buy a 428i after seeing that this has the same horsepower and 20k less and its lighter!

sign me up for a 228i xdrive msport

$20K less? wat?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Rickster311

Is xDrive confirmed for the 228i or M235i?

Yes for both. Not officially, but it will definitely come.

[stealth.pilot]

This is a huge improvement over the previous model's styling, but it still looks a bit stunted.

My sense is that the right way to design this car would have been to go for a lift back design. The chassis is too short for Coupe styling. If this car was a lift-back it would be truly sexy.

Also needs a wider grille, a-la Z4.

[bwaltz]

Originally Posted by JButtonMCL

After looking out the cars length/width. How useable are the backseats or are they just for show essentially? And how does the backseat compare to the 1 series and the E92's?

Would it be comfortable sitting 2 adults in the backseat of the 2er?

Given that there is only .83" difference in rear legroom vs. the 1 series, you better hope they are small adults. That is only thing I don't like about the new 2 series, and it had a lot to do with why I bought a 435 instead of holding out another 6 months. While the overall dimensions are similar to the old e46's (of which I have owned two), the rear seat room is better suited for children. At least with the 46's, you could comfortably carry adults.

[Alumac]

Originally Posted by pt9507

I will definitely paint the mirrors when I get the M235i

Why on earth would you buy a M235 when you have a M3?