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      10-22-2013, 07:06 PM   #243
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^^ Agreed re first post picture making sense now
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      10-22-2013, 07:14 PM   #245
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Loving the car and I have been waiting for something like this from BMW but the only thing that looks odd is the roofline, not sporty, not coupe like.
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      10-22-2013, 07:17 PM   #246
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      10-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #247
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Nicest looking new BMW I've seen in a few years. If it was a sedan or GC, I'd take this over the current 3 Series, which is too big for my tastes. I wonder if it has been de-contented like the 3's have - trunk mechanism, suspension materials, etc.? Seems like the 1's were a little de-contented in comparison to other cars in BMW's lineup already.

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      10-22-2013, 07:36 PM   #248
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Can someone explain to me the logic behind the double bubble dashboard. Why not just have single piece? I don't like how it sticks out
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      10-22-2013, 07:36 PM   #249
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Oh sh*t...wasn't expecting a full piece tail light. I like. Interesting how the truck goes around the light.
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      10-22-2013, 07:39 PM   #250
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Those seats look like they have ample lateral support ( hopefully adjustable? ) and extenders for the bottom cushion. This is looking very good. Man I hope it has good steering feel.
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      10-22-2013, 07:47 PM   #251
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      10-22-2013, 07:49 PM   #252
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well the 1M is an M car, as it was developed BY the M division and built by the M division. That's enough as far as i'm concerned.
It's a slightly tuned N54 engine...found in a handful of other NON-M BMW's. Same seats, steering wheel, etc... as the normal 135i. How is that anymore "M" than this car?

The 1M is as much an M...as this car. lol


Your logic is so flawed. If the "division" that built the car is all your concerned with...you shouldn't be here commenting.
False, the 1M was developed by a M team and it has MANY different things that separated it from the original e82. (Suspension, M3 parts, LSD, interior, m button, moonroof-delete, bigger wheels, wider body, slightly tuned engine) essentially everything that made the M3 an M3... not to mention that without a doubt I can almost guarantee that BMW PURPOSELY detuned the 1M.. It could be chipped for an extra ~50-80hp to the wheels...

It's ignorant that you even said that the m235i is as much 'm' as the 1M. If you recall the 1M beat the M3's lap time on the top gear track.. Not only did the 1M do this with 100 horsepower less, but the track was damp.. You must not know your facts.. Lol it's okay, I forgive you!
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Although will stand by the 1M is not a true M-car (in the traditional sense).
Interesting trunk line...
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XDrive as an option?
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      10-22-2013, 07:52 PM   #255
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m235i with available xdrive! hopes of an xdrive m235i Gran coupe are getting closer and closer!
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      10-22-2013, 07:52 PM   #256
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Any idea when this car will be available in the US?
Should be arriving to the US around the end Jan 2014 or so
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      10-22-2013, 07:55 PM   #257
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The info sheet does seem to suggest that all 2-series will have M-sport standard, since it isn't only referring to the M235i. But going by the 1-series and M135i. The M-sport will more than likely be an option on the 228i.
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      10-22-2013, 07:57 PM   #258
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Brake energy regeneration

The info card says the 2 series has brake energy regeneration. Is brake energy regeneration a bad thing for brake feel? Is it really necessary on a car that isn't a hybrid? Is it just adding extra weight? Would it benefit your brakes by making some electricity instead of brake heat? Does the f30 have brake energy regeneration?
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"Variable sports steering"

<rant>Is that code for the steering is shit whether your going fast or slow? Bring back hydrolic </rant>

Hopefully this means the electric feel can be stiffened for more feedback response.
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      10-22-2013, 08:17 PM   #260
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Mark my words, the M235i is both not an M car and is also an M135i with a trunk lid.
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Although will stand by the 1M is not a true M-car (in the traditional sense).
I agree with you that it's not a traditional M car, but if you look up it's development you'll find that the 1M project was barely OK'd and the time frame/budget was way less than what could've been.

But it is definitely an M car, and a very good one too. There was no way that BMW was going to put a brand new engine in that chassis, a V8 would've ruined all the dynamics and engineering a new inline 6 (NA or FI) would have been pointless when there was an already made engine that was perfect for the job (the N54).. And no one even mentioned how severely underrated the engine was in the car... It's pushing ~331 hp / 362 tq to the wheels when they rated the engine at 335hp/370tq. Those numbers definitely don't add up considering that crank hp is ~10-20% less than hp to the wheels. Meaning that the engine should've been rated at around 370-400hp/400-430tq...

When they decide to drop an S55 into the 2 series is when the M2 will be born.. (Along with LSD and suspension improvements) Not this relabeled 235is... Lol
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      10-22-2013, 08:20 PM   #261
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Who's the idiot who would pay a hefty premium for the M2 when the difference in power is only 28hp?
I guess the same idiots who paid a hefty premium for a 1m vs a 135is
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Well, at least I agree that used prices of 1Ms were/are exaggerated a bit. I like it for sure but yes it was not fair second hand market. Couldn't care less anyway since I have zero interest in getting rid of it...maybe for a Alfa 4C if they offer it with a stick in near future.

There will be practically nobody selling their 1Ms because of this car, or new 2 series in general; maybe because of a interesting M2 if that happens, yes then. So, who wants to see 1M prices drop might still wait.

If you think there is anything outdated about the looks of 1M that is because you are not driving one every day on public roads. It is fresh and when newer cars like 2 series and M4 continue to use design themes which were introduced by 1M it will simply continue to remain fresh long time and attract people's attention whereever you go. It is the benchmark M car, a prototype study of the M division in limited numbers for a new generation of M (and obviously M Perf.) cars, and untill this thread I thought that was more than obvious already.

What they should inherit from 1M was nothing but its boldness and simplicity, I just don't see that happening with this M235i, not yet at least. For now, I see a crowd pleaser.
What are the design themes introduced by the 1M that you are talking about?I respect the fact that you love your car but that statement is ridiculous.The designs of the 2 series and M4 don't look anything like the 1M.
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Is this gonna be a DCT?
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Is this gonna be a DCT?
no, ZF8 and MT 6

maybe the M2 but not the M235i
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