[Sportstick]

Still always bemused by those who declare one car looks "better" than another. I suppose for them, one flavor of ice cream is also objectively "better" than another? (OK, the chocolate exception...the one true and superior flavor of the universe! ) Personal preferences....sure, we all have them....but a declaration of an objective superiority? Doesn't exist.

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Still always bemused by those who declare one car looks "better" than another. I suppose for them, one flavor of ice cream is also objectively "better" than another? (OK, the chocolate exception...the one true and superior flavor of the universe! ) Personal preferences....sure, we all have them....but a declaration of an objective superiority? Doesn't exist.

You are incorrect sir, vanilla is the superior flavor.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by TAZ007

You are incorrect sir, vanilla is the superior flavor.

The Texas exception to the exception....again

[TAZ007]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

The Texas exception to the exception....again

LOL not really, you reminded me of a great scene from Thank You For Smoking.

I am not trying to sway you, the passive others are my target.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by TAZ007

LOL not really, you reminded me of a great scene from Thank You For Smoking.

I am not trying to sway you, the passive others are my target.

You'll never sway me from chocolate!

[Sportstick]

In any event, for my preferences, here is the two door BMW coupe I would take over either the F or G generation based on exterior design. Get your checkbooks!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ign=2021-07-14

[PRoberts22]

F23 hands down, but it’s just a personal preference.

[peteyrx7]

Originally Posted by PRoberts22

F23 hands down, but it’s just a personal preference.

My personal preference to have a manual transmission leads me to the objective fact that the g42 cannot be equipped with one.

[Lucky13]

There’s no doubt they showed the M240 in purple because its exciting and different. Had they shown the M240 in white like the 230 it would look more like a rental car. Just read reviews online and there were lukewarm comments on the white 230. Purple may look like shit in two years, do an apples to apples color comparison with the F22/F23 and you have a winner with the current car. I have a manual so no chance of me buying a new one. They eliminated a big part of their market by dropping the convertible and manual. People aren’t going to switch to the Z4 if they want a convertible. I’m not spending 65-70k on a new M2 when its bigger, heavier and uglier. I’ve seen smaller booty on Life After Lockup.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

In any event, for my preferences, here is the two door BMW coupe I would take over either the F or G generation based on exterior design. Get your checkbooks!

I was surprised by 'Reserve Not Met' at $150K for a car so far from original. But what do I know.

[xugator]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Still always bemused by those who declare one car looks "better" than another. I suppose for them, one flavor of ice cream is also objectively "better" than another? (OK, the chocolate exception...the one true and superior flavor of the universe! ) Personal preferences....sure, we all have them....but a declaration of an objective superiority? Doesn't exist.

Only cars aren’t ice cream. They are ever changing, evolving, constantly improving pieces of technology. Not much different than computers or cell phones. It’s like someone saying that their iPhone 6 is better than the iPhone 12 because they don’t like the looks of the one.

The new G42 is superior is pretty much every way to prior models. The interior, the engines, the technology. You can pick apart little details of the exterior that you may not like but at the end of the day, it’s head and shoulders the better option and a much sleeker and more modern design. Design may be opinion oriented to an extent but everything else especially what’s under the hood and the dynamics are non debatable. A far cry from chocolate vs vanilla.

To each his own though. 5 years from now, the F22 is going to look really dated but hey if people like it the best, that’s what matters. I had a 2015 235 and 2018 240 and this blows them out of the water. Can only imagine how much better it will look in person. I’ll definitely miss the manual but everything else being superior makes up for it. Pretty sure the people who say the G42 is ugly just have bad taste or are in denial. Maybe both.

[spidy512]

Originally Posted by xugator

Only cars aren’t ice cream. They are ever changing, evolving, constantly improving pieces of technology. Not much different than computers or cell phones. It’s like someone saying that their iPhone 6 is better than the iPhone 12 because they don’t like the looks of the one.

The new G42 is superior is pretty much every way to prior models. The interior, the engines, the technology. You can pick apart little details of the exterior that you may not like but at the end of the day, it’s head and shoulders the better option and a much sleeker and more modern design. Design may be opinion oriented to an extent but everything else especially what’s under the hood and the dynamics are non debatable. A far cry from chocolate vs vanilla.

To each his own though. 5 years from now, the F22 is going to look really dated but hey if people like it the best, that’s what matters. I had a 2015 235 and 2018 240 and this blows them out of the water. Can only imagine how much better it will look in person. I’ll definitely miss the manual but everything else being superior makes up for it. Pretty sure the people who say the G42 is ugly just have bad taste or are in denial. Maybe both.

I completely disagree.

To each his own? Then insult folks like me who think it looks hideous? I have bad taste because I don't like the looks? Or I am in "denial"? Wtf.

That doesn't sound very "too each his own" to me.

Vanilla is always superior to chocolate....

josh

[peteyrx7]

Originally Posted by xugator

Only cars aren't ice cream. They are ever changing, evolving, constantly improving pieces of technology. Not much different than computers or cell phones. It's like someone saying that their iPhone 6 is better than the iPhone 12 because they don't like the looks of the one.

The new G42 is superior is pretty much every way to prior models. The interior, the engines, the technology. You can pick apart little details of the exterior that you may not like but at the end of the day, it's head and shoulders the better option and a much sleeker and more modern design. Design may be opinion oriented to an extent but everything else especially what's under the hood and the dynamics are non debatable. A far cry from chocolate vs vanilla.

To each his own though. 5 years from now, the F22 is going to look really dated but hey if people like it the best, that's what matters. I had a 2015 235 and 2018 240 and this blows them out of the water. Can only imagine how much better it will look in person. I'll definitely miss the manual but everything else being superior makes up for it. Pretty sure the people who say the G42 is ugly just have bad taste or are in denial. Maybe both.

Let's keep it friendly. If everyone had the same taste there'd be only one make and model of car sold and only one flavor of ice cream. Instead, I've owned more cars than I've spent years on this planet and I can get several flavors of ice cream when I go to my local market like toasted coconut almond fudge ice cream, cherry Garcia, Marion berry lemon, Tahitian vanilla, and Valhalla chocolate and eat whichever one seems most appealing in any given day. Let's embrace the differences of opinion
as that is what gives us the opportunity to enjoy variety.

[xugator]

Originally Posted by spidy512

I completely disagree.

To each his own? Then insult folks like me who think it looks hideous? I have bad taste because I don't like the looks? Or I am in "denial"? Wtf.

That doesn't sound very "too each his own" to me.

Vanilla is always superior to chocolate....

josh

Not insulting, just think the haters and people calling it hideous are being extreme. This car is not radically different from prior years so how is this hideous ? I am just trying to wrap my head around why so many people on these boards are hating on a really good looking car.

[Ajowhan]

Vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup sounds good too

[TAZ007]

It seems my point was made.

[Tony88]

Originally Posted by xugator

Not insulting, just think the haters and people calling it hideous are being extreme. This car is not radically different from prior years so how is this hideous ? I am just trying to wrap my head around why so many people on these boards are hating on a really good looking car.

And I'm really trying to wrap my head around anyone thinking that's a good looking car...

Its total garbage in my opinion. Also, yes its radically different. There's no way you can look at the two different cars side by side and say they're related in anyway. When was the last time BMW had a single "light" head light? Whats with the goofy bug eyed looking tail lights?

The tech is better and the dynamics of the car might be better but its all wrapped up in such a terrible looking design that I can't get over. I don't understand how anyone can call it sleek or aggressive, looks like a econobox with some flares to me. It actually kinda looks like BMW took some of the Toyota designers they teamed up with and let them design this car. The front and rear proportions are all just so wrong. The only decent look it has is its side profile but even that I would give a 4/10 to the F22's 8/10. I will hand it to BMW that they didn't put enormous grilles on it though.

So no, not a hater, whatever that means. And in my defense, If you think the G42 looks good, you have no taste.

[Nickies]

Tony88, I would not say that it is looking good either but it is not that bad to say that it's complete garbage. Some components don't fit the body language of the overall design and of course its a fact.

I would have expected BMW to give us a "mini" 3 Series. For this reason, I am not sure I would like one. From what we can see from the coming M2 front design clues, it will even be worse.

[peteyrx7]

I'm fascinated that BMW created such a polarizing car without even putting buck tooth grills on it.

When I look at the G42's general proportions (the forest view), though slightly bigger, I don't see a radical departure from the F22 recipe. When I look at the most prominent design details (the tree view), I see a blend of Lexus IS 200, Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R, and the F22 M240. In other words, a blend of cars that in isolation look good but when combined create a hodgepodge of design details (rounded points, boxy points, sleeper, and aggressiveness) that is not totally coherent. I don't think it's completely ugly, but I also don't think it will age well but maybe it will grow on me.

Personally I think the driving experience should far outweigh aesthetics in determining what car to buy. While not finding the design coherent, I would still have considered the G42 if it were available with a third pedal. While it's still too soon to know for sure, the marketing so far seems to indicate that the g42 has the livability of the F22 while having the performance of the F87 competition. For those who don't care about having a third pedal, that sounds like a pretty compelling case to at least take a test drive in one.

[xugator]

Originally Posted by Tony88

And I'm really trying to wrap my head around anyone thinking that's a good looking car...

Its total garbage in my opinion. Also, yes its radically different. There's no way you can look at the two different cars side by side and say they're related in anyway. When was the last time BMW had a single "light" head light? Whats with the goofy bug eyed looking tail lights?

The tech is better and the dynamics of the car might be better but its all wrapped up in such a terrible looking design that I can't get over. I don't understand how anyone can call it sleek or aggressive, looks like a econobox with some flares to me. It actually kinda looks like BMW took some of the Toyota designers they teamed up with and let them design this car. The front and rear proportions are all just so wrong. The only decent look it has is its side profile but even that I would give a 4/10 to the F22's 8/10. I will hand it to BMW that they didn't put enormous grilles on it though.

So no, not a hater, whatever that means. And in my defense, If you think the G42 looks good, you have no taste.

Whatever you want to tell yourself. You must smarter than all the high profile BMW designers, architects and engineers. Can’t wait for you to be parked next to a G42 in a parking lot next year and see how much better it looks (well you might not see it but everyone else will). F22 is very dated looking so this is a welcomed update. When these hit the roads in the US then the archaic design of the F22 will be even more apparent.

[morphomeman]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
It amazes me, though, that some folks can get so worked up over a car that they have never seen, except through the wonders of modern technology.
So worked up that they accuse others of having 'no taste'!
Do these folks have nothing else to occupy their time?

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
It amazes me, though, that some folks can get so worked up over a car that they have never seen, except through the wonders of modern technology.
So worked up that they accuse others of having 'no taste'!
Do these folks have nothing else to occupy their time?

Even more stunning is the egocentrism that presumes that one's subjective analysis has any relationship to an objective reality. Things in the universe are either identical or they are not identical. Assigning valences to non-identical difference ("better"/"worse") are purely subjective creations for each filtered and biased human mind.