Now that we've all seen the new m240i. What's your favorite 2 series up to now?

rainfall · 07-10-2021, 03:02 PM

wheelbase is a full 2 inches longer. Not sure it will take away the fun.

Tbh I'd be interested in any 6 cylinder 2 series that is manual and. RWD. I drove the M240, M235, M2... all beautiful cars in their on merit.

I just hope they keep the non-M cars with RWD and manual option. It's not an option right now, but I keep hoping.

Lucky13 · 07-10-2021, 08:34 PM

If you don’t care about the rear seat the new 400Z will be launched August 17. A 400hp version will be available, all new interior and a manual. I won’t buy an automatic M240, so its faster a straight then why are they selling the shit out of the manual M4. Motor Trend and Car and Driver both love the manual M4 and M3, much more fun to drive than the auto and that’s why people still buy them.

GrimJaw · 07-11-2021, 06:35 AM

I don't hate the new one. Yet, I absolutely do not think it looks as good as the f22 and f23. That being said I do like the upgrades (engine, leds inside/bigger I drive, the more space for wheels, and the sd. That's about it. It kinda looks like a Kia collaboration to me...

Ron Jeffries · 07-11-2021, 08:19 AM

I am well into the cycle of my car ownership where I look at new cars that I believe, against all odds, will make me happier than I am now. I configure them, price them out, look on carfax and carvana and Cars 'R Us and again and again I rarely find anything for which I'd trade my F32 M240i xDrive even up, much less pay upwards of 30 to 50 or 70 large to get the thing.

I don't need 500 or 700 HP. I don't need a top end of 175 or 190. I don't even need 2.9 seconds to 60. And I certainly don't need a car the size of the Queen Mary.

Perhaps I'm getting old. No, correct that, I am well past "getting old". But so long as I stick to having just one car, I can't find one I think I'd prefer.

Very odd.

jzeiler4 · 07-11-2021, 09:37 AM

Until they come out with a convertible you all know what my answer is. But the wife likes the purple color.

Sportstick · 07-11-2021, 09:49 AM

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Until they come out with a convertible you all know what my answer is. But the wife likes the purple color.

You can wrap anything in purple. Even yourself.

RvR · 07-11-2021, 10:07 AM

Most of the recent BMW compact coupes have awkward design elements, including the 1M coupe, the F22, and the G42. The only really visually beautiful car to me is the M2CS, the best since the E46, for sure. As someone mentioned in another thread, the G42 launch car relies on the purple paint to do the heavy lifting. In other colors, the G42 doesn't look as good.

I noticed on the German configurator you can get a G42 in Portimao Blue, a color not on the Canadian configurator. I assume the EU cars are still built in Leipzig, which would be my preference.

So best-looking, the M2CS in Misano Blue, with gold wheels and carbon ceramic brakes. The drawback, the price gets very close to a 718 Porsche 4.0L. I haven't seen one in person, M2s (or F22s) of any stripe are very rare around me.

Best-driving, hard to say, I've only driven the ur-M2 and F22. The M2CS certainly has the accolades, including Evo Car of the Year. Now for daily driver use, I don't know the M2CS would be the best choice, depending on your quality of roads. I'd lean towards an LCI M240i. It's too bad the M2CS didn't get the S58 motor.

The G42 was thankfully spared the goblin grill the M3/M4 got. I note that at least on the German configurator, you can get Sensatec in cognac, which would be my choice. I don't remember the replacement leather name for Dakota, it begins with an "L" but I assume it's about the same, pretty heavily processed to the point you might as well have the Sensatec. The G42 seats do look like an improvement over the F22. On the other hand, I prefer the F22 LCI gages. The G42 also has several built-in drivers "aids" I wouldn't want.

My deal-breaker issues with the G42, no manual transmission and mandatory X-Drive, plus the U.S. market cars are built in Mexico, not Leipzig. I also don't like the added weight and size. The F22 was too porky to begin with, its replacement doesn't need several hundred extra pounds. That's about a 20% weight gain from a similarly sized E36 M3.

aerobod · 07-11-2021, 11:15 AM

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I assume the EU cars are still built in Leipzig, which would be my preference.

All worldwide G42 production is in Mexico, there are no cars produced in Europe.

RvR · 07-12-2021, 09:52 AM

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All worldwide G42 production is in Mexico, there are no cars produced in Europe.

So what will BMW Leipzig be doing for work in lieu of the G42?

I wonder how accepting the German market will be for a BMW built in Mexico?

MikeT · 07-12-2021, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RvR

So what will BMW Leipzig be doing for work in lieu of the G42?

I wonder how accepting the German market will be for a BMW built in Mexico?

Leipzig is making the 1-series, 2-series Gran Coupe & Active Tourer and new Mini Countryman.

The Germans seem to have no hang-up about buying U.S-built SUVs from BMW, so it's unlikely that many will be offended by Mexican production.

Sportstick · 07-12-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RvR

So what will BMW Leipzig be doing for work in lieu of the G42?

I wonder how accepting the German market will be for a BMW built in Mexico?

The Germans may have realized that the assembly plant geography is irrelevant. The issue is how well the OEM manages the plant and supply base, wherever they may be. Some "distant" plants may be so well-managed as to outperform the home location. Mercedes-Benz's plant in South Africa racked up higher quality audit scores for the C Class than did the plant in Germany. At one time, Honda quality data showed Marysville outperforming cars sourced from Japan. Plants can vary, but it is not the location nor the nationality of the operators that correlate. It's the skill of the management team in running the operation.

WolfGTI · 07-12-2021, 11:01 AM

Very well said.

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The Germans may have realized that the assembly plant geography is irrelevant. The issue is how well the OEM manages the plant and supply base, wherever they may be. Some "distant" plants may be so well-managed as to outperform the home location. Mercedes-Benz's plant in South Africa racked up higher quality audit scores for the C Class than did the plant in Germany. At one time, Honda quality data showed Marysville outperforming cars sourced from Japan. Plants can vary, but it is not the location nor the nationality of the operators that correlate. It's the skill of the management team in running the operation.

swc5150 · 07-12-2021, 12:17 PM

I for one, am so glad I sold my M235 for top dollar when I did. I think the new M240 looks awesome, and can't wait to get my hands on one. With the muscular look of it, it makes me wonder what they'll do the M2 in order to further differentiate it?

PRoberts22 · 07-12-2021, 01:14 PM

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The one I can drive with the top down! Can't wait to take delivery of my ordered M240i Convertible.

I completely agree. For me, it’s top down all the way.

TonM3 · 07-12-2021, 09:30 PM

Because I expected the new M240 to be hideous like so many new BMWs coming out, I was pleasantly surprised by the design.

Hopefully with the future RWD version BMW will reconsider selling a manual non M and maybe (but very unlikely) a convertible with a manual.

230iZTR · 07-13-2021, 02:43 AM

Most of my complaints about the F22 230i seem to have been addressed in the G42 230i. More fender room for tires, an optional LSD, sportier seats, and (probably to be confirmed soon) individual paint, while retaining the RWD power train and fun chassis. My biggest gripe - the soulless electric power steering - is something we won't know about until we start to see reviews of production spec cars...but I'm not optimistic based on the G20/22. I haven't read anything about camber adjustability yet. I'll confess to not really caring that there's no manual option. The ZF8 is fun enough with paddles, and it outperforms anything a human could do.

That said, the G42 lost the 2er's most attractive feature - good styling and (relatively, for a modern car) feathery weight. So for now, I think I'm content with my F22. I know it's flaws and I've found aftermarket solutions to "fix" them. And the car is almost paid off now.

xugator · 07-13-2021, 01:27 PM

The G42 is far and away the best looking version of the 2 series. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to convince themselves that their dated model is somehow superior when the new one is better in almost every way. The lack of manual might be the only hit against it.

Ugly Kar · 07-13-2021, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xugator

The G42 is far and away the best looking version of the 2 series. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to convince themselves that their dated model is somehow superior when the new one is better in almost every way. The lack of manual might be the only hit against it.

I don't own one and I've never owned one so there goes your theory. I'm thinking about getting one, hence my user name. I'm thinking that maybe I get one and put a sign in the back window that says, "Yes, I know it's Ugly, but it drives great."

I did have an E92 with the N54 and it was a great driving car, along with a great looking car. Nothing out of proportion or polarizing images. Too bad BMW couldn't improve on that, or just improve on the G80 in a smaller package.

And no one has to have a manual. You can download one at bmwusa.com and save a tree.

cristo · 07-13-2021, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

And no one has to have a manual. You can download one at bmwusa.com and save a tree.

GrimJaw · 07-14-2021, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xugator

The G42 is far and away the best looking version of the 2 series. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to convince themselves that their dated model is somehow superior when the new one is better in almost every way. The lack of manual might be the only hit against it.

No. Just no. I could buy one right now. I won't, cause it looks like it's been hashed together with a Kia Stinger. If the car looked more like my f22 in terms of the (headlights, taillights, rear end, and lines) I'd certainly think about it. It's by no means terrible looking it's OK. It just doesn't scream the old bmw look. The f22 is beautiful I've said this before it looks like a newer e46.

BEM-S4 · 07-14-2021, 08:21 AM

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The f22 is beautiful I've said this before it looks like a newer e46.

I have a 2016 F23 M235 parked next to a 2006 E46 330ci ZHP in my garage. You are 100% right.

raddoc · 07-14-2021, 08:55 AM

Still prefer my '21 F23 M240i MT6. Might not always feel this way. Ask me again in 20 years....

07-10-2021, 03:02 PM	#23
rainfall First Lieutenant 162 Rep 395 Posts Drives: A Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: West coast iTrader: (0)	wheelbase is a full 2 inches longer. Not sure it will take away the fun. Tbh I'd be interested in any 6 cylinder 2 series that is manual and. RWD. I drove the M240, M235, M2... all beautiful cars in their on merit. I just hope they keep the non-M cars with RWD and manual option. It's not an option right now, but I keep hoping.
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Lucky13 Lucky13 211 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30X Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, S.C. iTrader: (0)	If you don’t care about the rear seat the new 400Z will be launched August 17. A 400hp version will be available, all new interior and a manual. I won’t buy an automatic M240, so its faster a straight then why are they selling the shit out of the manual M4. Motor Trend and Car and Driver both love the manual M4 and M3, much more fun to drive than the auto and that’s why people still buy them. __________________ 1995 325i, 1996 328ci, 1997 528i, 1997 Z3 2.8, 2000 528i, 2001 X5 3.0, 2001 330i Convertible, 2002 M3 Convertible, 2003 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Coupe, 2004 Z4 3.0, 2004 X3 3.0, 2007 X3 3.0, 2007 335i Convertible, 2013 X1 28 sdrive, 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30i Xdrive
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GrimJaw First Lieutenant 106 Rep 344 Posts Drives: 2015 M235i Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: MD iTrader: (1)	I don't hate the new one. Yet, I absolutely do not think it looks as good as the f22 and f23. That being said I do like the upgrades (engine, leds inside/bigger I drive, the more space for wheels, and the sd. That's about it. It kinda looks like a Kia collaboration to me...
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07-11-2021, 08:19 AM	#26
Ron Jeffries Old Member. Old in general, actually. 388 Rep 889 Posts Drives: 2018 M240i xDrive convertible Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Michigan iTrader: (0)	I am well into the cycle of my car ownership where I look at new cars that I believe, against all odds, will make me happier than I am now. I configure them, price them out, look on carfax and carvana and Cars 'R Us and again and again I rarely find anything for which I'd trade my F32 M240i xDrive even up, much less pay upwards of 30 to 50 or 70 large to get the thing. I don't need 500 or 700 HP. I don't need a top end of 175 or 190. I don't even need 2.9 seconds to 60. And I certainly don't need a car the size of the Queen Mary. Perhaps I'm getting old. No, correct that, I am well past "getting old". But so long as I stick to having just one car, I can't find one I think I'd prefer. Very odd.
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jzeiler4 Lieutenant 320 Rep 536 Posts Drives: 2021 M240i xDrive vert Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Hazel Green, AL iTrader: (0)	Until they come out with a convertible you all know what my answer is. But the wife likes the purple color.
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07-11-2021, 10:07 AM	#29
RvR Private 65 Rep 86 Posts Drives: M240i Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: U.S.A. iTrader: (0)	In looks Most of the recent BMW compact coupes have awkward design elements, including the 1M coupe, the F22, and the G42. The only really visually beautiful car to me is the M2CS, the best since the E46, for sure. As someone mentioned in another thread, the G42 launch car relies on the purple paint to do the heavy lifting. In other colors, the G42 doesn't look as good. I noticed on the German configurator you can get a G42 in Portimao Blue, a color not on the Canadian configurator. I assume the EU cars are still built in Leipzig, which would be my preference. So best-looking, the M2CS in Misano Blue, with gold wheels and carbon ceramic brakes. The drawback, the price gets very close to a 718 Porsche 4.0L. I haven't seen one in person, M2s (or F22s) of any stripe are very rare around me. Best-driving, hard to say, I've only driven the ur-M2 and F22. The M2CS certainly has the accolades, including Evo Car of the Year. Now for daily driver use, I don't know the M2CS would be the best choice, depending on your quality of roads. I'd lean towards an LCI M240i. It's too bad the M2CS didn't get the S58 motor. The G42 was thankfully spared the goblin grill the M3/M4 got. I note that at least on the German configurator, you can get Sensatec in cognac, which would be my choice. I don't remember the replacement leather name for Dakota, it begins with an "L" but I assume it's about the same, pretty heavily processed to the point you might as well have the Sensatec. The G42 seats do look like an improvement over the F22. On the other hand, I prefer the F22 LCI gages. The G42 also has several built-in drivers "aids" I wouldn't want. My deal-breaker issues with the G42, no manual transmission and mandatory X-Drive, plus the U.S. market cars are built in Mexico, not Leipzig. I also don't like the added weight and size. The F22 was too porky to begin with, its replacement doesn't need several hundred extra pounds. That's about a 20% weight gain from a similarly sized E36 M3.
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swc5150 Private 42 Rep 85 Posts Drives: Panamera Turbo Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: WI iTrader: (0)	I for one, am so glad I sold my M235 for top dollar when I did. I think the new M240 looks awesome, and can't wait to get my hands on one. With the muscular look of it, it makes me wonder what they'll do the M2 in order to further differentiate it?
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TonM3 Lieutenant 249 Rep 504 Posts Drives: 2006 E46 M3 / 2017 M240 Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Bethesda, MD iTrader: (0)	Because I expected the new M240 to be hideous like so many new BMWs coming out, I was pleasantly surprised by the design. Hopefully with the future RWD version BMW will reconsider selling a manual non M and maybe (but very unlikely) a convertible with a manual. __________________ E46 -> E90 -> F30 -> F23
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07-13-2021, 02:43 AM	#38
230iZTR Lieutenant 316 Rep 444 Posts Drives: Signal Orange wrapped 230i THP Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Reno, NV iTrader: (0)	Most of my complaints about the F22 230i seem to have been addressed in the G42 230i. More fender room for tires, an optional LSD, sportier seats, and (probably to be confirmed soon) individual paint, while retaining the RWD power train and fun chassis. My biggest gripe - the soulless electric power steering - is something we won't know about until we start to see reviews of production spec cars...but I'm not optimistic based on the G20/22. I haven't read anything about camber adjustability yet. I'll confess to not really caring that there's no manual option. The ZF8 is fun enough with paddles, and it outperforms anything a human could do. That said, the G42 lost the 2er's most attractive feature - good styling and (relatively, for a modern car) feathery weight. So for now, I think I'm content with my F22. I know it's flaws and I've found aftermarket solutions to "fix" them. And the car is almost paid off now.
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07-13-2021, 01:27 PM	#39
xugator Enlisted Member 12 Rep 33 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Ohio iTrader: (0)	The G42 is far and away the best looking version of the 2 series. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to convince themselves that their dated model is somehow superior when the new one is better in almost every way. The lack of manual might be the only hit against it.
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07-14-2021, 08:55 AM	#44
raddoc Private First Class 107 Rep 175 Posts Drives: X5,Model3,M240i Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Tucson AZ iTrader: (0)	Still prefer my '21 F23 M240i MT6. Might not always feel this way. Ask me again in 20 years....
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