newtis is now subscription based

MarcoZandrini · 10-09-2020, 09:05 AM

You read that right! www.newtis.info is now www.newtis.com and it costs money. A single day's use will cost you $30. An entire year's use will cost you $2500.

dradernh · 10-09-2020, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcoZandrini

You read that right! www.newtis.info is now www.newtis.com and it costs money. A single day's use will cost you $30. An entire year's use will cost you $2500.

That's unfortunate, isn't it!

This is newtis.info's current page:

newTIS.info

Site Closed

This site is closed per demands of BMW AG.

BMW recommends the official and up-to-date BMW TIS which can be accessed at www.bmwtis.com*.

* However, we believe that BMW violates the right to repair by effectively locking out individual consumers from basic repair information through unreasonably high access fees.

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msendit · 10-09-2020, 11:16 AM

Yeah, annoying.
But, it's hard to delete things off the internet...

https://web.archive.org/web/20200531...f22-m240i-cou/

grocerylist · 10-09-2020, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by msendit

Yeah, annoying.
But, it's hard to delete things off the internet...

https://web.archive.org/web/20200531...f22-m240i-cou/

That's useless as the sub-menus aren't archived.

msendit · 10-09-2020, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by grocerylist

That's useless as the sub-menus aren't archived.

Oh, d'oh, I didn't click all the way through

That's a shame then...

harma24 · 10-09-2020, 08:17 PM

Aholes. Trying to force people to go to the dealers for maintenance that most of us could otherwise perform at home. This is just corporate greed.

So long to a GREAT site. Thank you for all the information you've provided to me over the past few years. I've learned a lot!

ggggbmw · 10-11-2020, 10:58 AM

I am saddened that newtis.info is gone. It was a great resource.

However, I was always a bit surprised that BMW corporate allowed it to exist as long as it did. It was an obvious blatant copy of the BMW internal TIS information. And the fact that newtis.info was showing ads meant it was done for profit. That is blatant copyright violation. I hate the copyright exploitation of media companies, but making a profit distributing someone else's content is not theft. (Making your own copies of media, well, I think that is less clear.)

As for Right to Repair, well, I'm not really seeing it. BMW will sell parts to anyone. There are tons of resources available to service these cars, like code readers, from third parties. (And some of those are copying internal ISTA tool menu information verbatim.) Yes, the price of access to the official TIS info seems a bit high. $10/day would be more reasonable. But the access is available.

It would be less annoying if there was actually a Bentley manual or other deep technical resource available for our cars.

I just hope this isn't a sign of BMW cracking down on all other slightly shady resources we make use of, like extensive copying of and discussion of ISTA tools, and other coding/troubleshooting tools. Key difference I see is that the majority of that is not done for profit. It's enthusiasts sharing and working to further the enjoyment of BMW's.

I've also been curious about realoem.com. That is not an official BMW site either. Since it is just parts lists though, I would think it less likely they would shut that down. That would be a major loss.

cristo · 10-11-2020, 01:01 PM

Very sorry to see this go as well.
It helped me out with my 2009
MINI R55 when the Bentley manual
was lacking details, and with our
2020 M240i (although that will
be under factory warranty then
BMW dealer purchased extended
warranty for about 6 more years).
It would be nice if Bentley put out
an F22/F23 manual out soon, but
I doubt they ever will.
I got a couple eBay DVD and download
F22/F23 service manuals, but they either
didn’t work or were outdated and
incomplete compared to their
descriptions.

gosi · 10-11-2020, 04:56 PM

As a general rule, knowledge should be free to access to anyone, as long as they are using it for themselves. It is utter bullshit that they locked down a third party website for providing information that they could have hosted themselves anyway.

Profiting off of intentionally hiding information is greedy.

cristo · 10-11-2020, 07:38 PM

We need national Right to Repair
legislation that has more teeth and
broader scope than the one
Massachusetts passed in 2013 and
amended in 2014.

MidwayMuller · 10-11-2020, 08:08 PM

If anyone else was caught by this mid-repair like me, Rheingold is your new best friend.

MarcoZandrini · 10-12-2020, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidwayMuller

If anyone else was caught by this mid-repair like me, Rheingold is your new best friend.

Link, please!

cristo · 10-12-2020, 01:06 PM

(Working) link, please.
I’ve only found some of the dead
ones and shady ones.

dradernh · 10-12-2020, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cristo

(Working) link, please.
I’ve only found some of the dead
ones and shady ones.

Do you know if this one is legitimate: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LATEST-ULTI...-/192759081284?

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MarcoZandrini Major 444 Rep 1,264 Posts Drives: 2018 M240i Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Virginia iTrader: (0)	newtis is now subscription based You read that right! www.newtis.info is now www.newtis.com and it costs money. A single day's use will cost you $30. An entire year's use will cost you $2500.
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msendit First Lieutenant 420 Rep 322 Posts Drives: M240i Join Date: May 2018 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0)	Yeah, annoying. But, it's hard to delete things off the internet... https://web.archive.org/web/20200531...f22-m240i-cou/
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harma24 Captain 403 Rep 744 Posts Drives: 2017 M240i Glacier Silver Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: 19.5mi NNW of Boston, MA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW M240i [0.00]	Aholes. Trying to force people to go to the dealers for maintenance that most of us could otherwise perform at home. This is just corporate greed. So long to a GREAT site. Thank you for all the information you've provided to me over the past few years. I've learned a lot! __________________ Fun Cars (daily drivers) 2001-2016: 2001 Honda Prelude \| 2016 - present: 2017 M240xi Glacier Silver Coupe Family Cars: 1993-2014: 1993 Honda Accord 10th Anniversary Edition \| 2014-Present: 2014 Honda Odyssey Stable-mate: 2019 - present: 2020 230xi Seaside Blue Convertible
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ggggbmw Lieutenant 433 Rep 442 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 Manual Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Minnesota iTrader: (0)	I am saddened that newtis.info is gone. It was a great resource. However, I was always a bit surprised that BMW corporate allowed it to exist as long as it did. It was an obvious blatant copy of the BMW internal TIS information. And the fact that newtis.info was showing ads meant it was done for profit. That is blatant copyright violation. I hate the copyright exploitation of media companies, but making a profit distributing someone else's content is not theft. (Making your own copies of media, well, I think that is less clear.) As for Right to Repair, well, I'm not really seeing it. BMW will sell parts to anyone. There are tons of resources available to service these cars, like code readers, from third parties. (And some of those are copying internal ISTA tool menu information verbatim.) Yes, the price of access to the official TIS info seems a bit high. $10/day would be more reasonable. But the access is available. It would be less annoying if there was actually a Bentley manual or other deep technical resource available for our cars. I just hope this isn't a sign of BMW cracking down on all other slightly shady resources we make use of, like extensive copying of and discussion of ISTA tools, and other coding/troubleshooting tools. Key difference I see is that the majority of that is not done for profit. It's enthusiasts sharing and working to further the enjoyment of BMW's. I've also been curious about realoem.com. That is not an official BMW site either. Since it is just parts lists though, I would think it less likely they would shut that down. That would be a major loss.
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10-11-2020, 01:01 PM	#8
cristo Second Lieutenant 133 Rep 218 Posts Drives: 2020 M240i Convertible Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: York, PA iTrader: (0)	Very sorry to see this go as well. It helped me out with my 2009 MINI R55 when the Bentley manual was lacking details, and with our 2020 M240i (although that will be under factory warranty then BMW dealer purchased extended warranty for about 6 more years). It would be nice if Bentley put out an F22/F23 manual out soon, but I doubt they ever will. I got a couple eBay DVD and download F22/F23 service manuals, but they either didn’t work or were outdated and incomplete compared to their descriptions.
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gosi Private First Class 96 Rep 147 Posts Drives: M240 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Slovenia iTrader: (0)	As a general rule, knowledge should be free to access to anyone, as long as they are using it for themselves. It is utter bullshit that they locked down a third party website for providing information that they could have hosted themselves anyway. Profiting off of intentionally hiding information is greedy.
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cristo Second Lieutenant 133 Rep 218 Posts Drives: 2020 M240i Convertible Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: York, PA iTrader: (0)	We need national Right to Repair legislation that has more teeth and broader scope than the one Massachusetts passed in 2013 and amended in 2014.
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MidwayMuller Enlisted Member 36 Rep 31 Posts Drives: BMW M235i Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Bellevue WA iTrader: (0)	If anyone else was caught by this mid-repair like me, Rheingold is your new best friend.
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