BMW M240i and 230i Announced With Latest Engines - B58 and B46 [Official Specs]

Anthony235 · 05-19-2016, 05:56 PM

This is why I buy my cars used. Got my 2015 235i CPO about 3 months ago with 7k miles and 1%APR.

Much of the negative equity was out of the car when I bought it. Sets me up to trade it in whenever I want with little loss.

Also I would still get a M2 over the m240....I think

Benandluna · 05-19-2016, 06:10 PM

Am I just an idiot, whats that 450 lbs of tq I see.

Dethsupp0rt · 05-19-2016, 08:13 PM

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Am I just an idiot, whats that 450 lbs of tq I see.

500 newton metres, which is just under 370 ft-lbs.

Alpine F31 · 05-19-2016, 09:30 PM

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The people who really should be upset all own M235i... Least it is a ten best car.

Why should we be upset? There are always better, faster, newer cars available no matter what you currently drive. The new (insert sexy car here) is great, but it doesn't make me like my M235i any less. It's still great and it's still way more capable as a car than I am as a driver.

BEM-S4 · 05-19-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The people who really should be upset all own M235i... Least it is a ten best car.

Why should we be upset? There are always better, faster, newer cars available no matter what you currently drive. The new (insert sexy car here) is great, but it doesn't make me like my M235i any less. It's still great and it's still way more capable as a car than I am as a driver.

I too am bumping up against the limits of ability and usable on roads in my area. That said I'm driving a few P-cars on Saturday

Xiaoxi · 05-19-2016, 10:47 PM

lol @ "should be upset to own 235i"

Consumerism at its worst.

Mywifes335 · 05-19-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Why should we be upset? There are always better, faster, newer cars available no matter what you currently drive. The new (insert sexy car here) is great, but it doesn't make me like my M235i any less. It's still great and it's still way more capable as a car than I am as a driver.

Yeah. I was upset for a couple days. Now it's like, whatever, that's life.

More reason for big turbo, big turbo....

Teutonic · 05-20-2016, 12:02 AM

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Amazing rear fenders and M chassis...or...more torque (without overboost), sunroof, and actually being able to buy the car?

Darn, have the same problem... I would love that m2 body with a 340 engine and Xdrive as a DD.

doccyber · 05-20-2016, 12:29 AM

Why can't we get the 220i in the US?

hinckley · 05-20-2016, 06:02 AM

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The suspension, tires and ride height are all the same in the xdrive version of the M235i as the RWD version. In other models when you opt for xdrive you do in fact get different suspension and ride height, not so for the 2 series.

If you are basing BMW AWD suspension and driving characteristics simply on a former 335 or 535 then it's going to be way off as this doesn't represent the M235 or now the 240i AWD suspension.

I didn't know that, and yes, I was basing my opinion on the 3er and 5er xDrives. So that's very good, and very promising news about the M240i xDrive.

BEM-S4 · 05-20-2016, 06:46 AM

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lol @ "should be upset to own 235i"

Consumerism at its worst.

And next year the 2017 240 guys will be annoyed when the facelift comes out and their cars take a hit. Just the nature of the beast.

DS_BMW · 05-20-2016, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiaoxi

lol @ "should be upset to own 235i"

Consumerism at its worst.

And next year the 2017 240 guys will be annoyed when the facelift comes out and their cars take a hit. Just the nature of the beast.

Yep in pretty much every thing you buy.

BEM-S4 · 05-20-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiaoxi

lol @ "should be upset to own 235i"

Consumerism at its worst.

And next year the 2017 240 guys will be annoyed when the facelift comes out and their cars take a hit. Just the nature of the beast.

Yep in pretty much every thing you buy.

Could be worse, TVs everything is better AND cheaper every new version. Imagine the bitching if the 240 started at $37.5.

jamiey · 05-20-2016, 08:17 AM

Ahem, in the UK the list price is £200 less for the M240i...

The Guy · 05-20-2016, 08:54 AM

Is this engine tuning potential stronger than what's currently in the M3/M4?

Mywifes335 · 05-20-2016, 09:32 AM

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Is this engine tuning potential stronger than what's currently in the M3/M4?

I'd venture a guess and say no. The S55 is a pretty robust platform with 2 turbos and air-to-water intercooler, forged internals. With a stage 2 turbo upgrade it runs crazy acceleration and hp numbers. 137mph trap speed...

bradleyland · 05-20-2016, 10:02 AM

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Is this engine tuning potential stronger than what's currently in the M3/M4?

The S55 has a few things going for it that the B58 lacks. The twin-turbo setup on the S55 has a more overhead. There are already tunes pushing ~500 HP with the stock turbos. The B58 is in the ~450 HP area. It's hard to say from the illustrations in the technical documents, but I'd be willing to bet that the S55 intercooling system has higher thermal capacity as well.

In a more broad sense (when you start swapping out major components), it's really hard to say, because no one has taken either platform to its limits yet. The B58 has some drawbacks in that regard though. The intercooler on the B58 is integrated in to the intake, so if you're going for really big power, that's a problem you're going to have to solve, and adding a full intake system to your parts list isn't going to be cheap. With the M4, the plumbing is there. You'd just need a different intercooler (granted, there are space constraints).

The S55 has better base components as well: pistons, crank, rods. The parts list for a B58-based, big-HP build is going to get expensive quickly.

bimmerfile · 05-20-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiaoxi

lol @ "should be upset to own 235i"

Consumerism at its worst.

Kinda reminds me of the monkey experiment.
The M235i is the cucumber and along comes the grape (aka M240i)

ORIGIN M. · 05-20-2016, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiaoxi

lol @ "should be upset to own 235i"

Consumerism at its worst.

And next year the 2017 240 guys will be annoyed when the facelift comes out and their cars take a hit. Just the nature of the beast.

I bet the facelift will come at the same time.

raysspl · 05-20-2016, 03:41 PM

Would like to see a manual on the 230i too

rainfall · 05-20-2016, 05:26 PM

370 lbft of torque is a looooot (is that 40+ from today?).
I hope it will be possible to turn off rev match without disabling the traction control. M2 ppl are complaining a lot about that.

rainfall · 05-20-2016, 05:31 PM

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Why can't we get the 220i in the US?

Because AMERICA lol

The same thing happens with the Golf MK7. In Europe there are slower versions, but here we get the 1.8T and up. It is less options for sure, but this helps keep the cost down for these higher end models. The dealers spend less money in lot space, inventory, marketing, etc.

It's not all bad to have fewer options.

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rainfall First Lieutenant 162 Rep 395 Posts Drives: A Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: West coast iTrader: (0)	370 lbft of torque is a looooot (is that 40+ from today?). I hope it will be possible to turn off rev match without disabling the traction control. M2 ppl are complaining a lot about that.
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