[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by leesat

they finally put the rev-matching system. Does anyone know is it possible to code it to 235i manual?

Yes. Program your brain by practising how to drive and downshift a manual car properly.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by aerostar

The M2 forum is blowing up about this, too.

Some people keep saying the true value of the M2 comes when you're at the track. I'd like to see their face after a M240i xDrive spanks them at a red light.

xD

What the flying fuck does a stoplight performance have to do with what happens at a race track.

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[StephGOD]

Originally Posted by Mdecisive

My bet.
2018 LCI M2 will come with a B58 tuned by M (pretty much same deal they did with the N55)
It'll most probably be a 385hp motor

And I'll cry muchly because my m2 that i take delivery of next year will be an N55 lol

But whatever it's bound to happen :

+1

[kdog26372]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

What the flying fuck does a stoplight performance has to do with what happens at a race track.

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Not a lot of course. But, the fact that maybe 5% of M2 owners will track their car (that's the high end of estimates on the M3 forum anyway), acceleration and around town driving will certainly be an important part of the driving experience of the vast majority of owners; M2 or M240. I'd never take my car to a track, so can't ever see picking the more expensive M2 over the M240, plus I prefer to tune my cars and the AWD handles the power much better without having to change to drag radials to launch car. If I did track my car even a couple times a year the M2 would be the far superior car for that.

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Originally Posted by csg

From experience owning (and tracking) both S52 and S54 cars, it made a lot less difference than you think. The torque curve on the S52 was highly preferable to the S54, coupled with a better final drive. With the right mods, I was handily lapping S54 M coupes and M3s at HPDEs in my lowly S52 coupe. I didn't have to spend $90 on an oil change, either. Oh, and my rod bearings never broke and sent my engine into a self destruct sequence.

Hehe I didn't mean to start the damn s52 vs s54 debate, but I will say, the S54 roadies and coupes were kinda gimped by the diff and 5 speed. If you felt like blowing a bit of extra $$ on the S54 roadie and going with the e46 6 speed + a 3.64 diff, it is supposed to make the car a whole different monster.

Overall performance is not that different, and I was always a big fan of the S52 (having owned an e36 M3 back in the day), but there is also something I love about the S54 motors, their mechanical sound etc. The next car I get will be an M coupe, s52 or 54, I would almost prefer a salvaged s54 coupe so I don't have to worry about beating on a car that valuable lol.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

Hehe I didn't mean to start the damn s52 vs s54 debate, but I will say, the S54 roadies and coupes were kinda gimped by the diff and 5 speed. If you felt like blowing a bit of extra $$ on the S54 roadie and going with the e46 6 speed + a 3.64 diff, it is supposed to make the car a whole different monster.

Overall performance is not that different, and I was always a big fan of the S52 (having owned an e36 M3 back in the day), but there is also something I love about the S54 motors, their mechanical sound etc. The next car I get will be an M coupe, s52 or 54, I would almost prefer a salvaged s54 coupe so I don't have to worry about beating on a car that valuable lol.

My brother in law had an S52 M coupe and now an S54 Z4M coupe. He likes the straight line speed of the MZ4 but liked the handling on the M coupe more. He feels the MZ4 traction control is too conservative and leaving it off resulted in a $14k crash.

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

My brother in law had an S52 M coupe and now an S54 Z4M coupe. He likes the straight line speed of the MZ4 but liked the handling on the M coupe more. He feels the MZ4 traction control is too conservative and leaving it off resulted in a $14k crash.

That's why there is an S54 Z3 coupe

By all accounts the Z4 is a better engineered car etc. But there is something wonderfully flawed about the Z3 that makes it fun to drive. Its a little rattle box, that's really a parts bin car, part e36, part e30, but very rewarding to drive. The Z4 is a much more refined vehicle. Too refined for me though

[MZWIE]

Let's hope they offer more than the 3 horrible colors on the M2, sun roof delete and manual seats with something other than leather.

If all this comes true then we can really have a worthwhile car.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by the6M3

Yes. Program your brain by practising how to drive and downshift a manual car properly.

This.

Can't get much easier with our pedal arrangement. Blip Blip

[amw896]

Originally Posted by RacerDad

My decision to purchase a 2016 M235i vs a 2017 M240i is the same as yours. This is my first new BMW and I was concerned about the reliability of a fairly new engine. I was also concerned about the reduction of the warranty for 2017. This car will serve as my daily driver and occasional HPDE car. Reliability is a major requirement for me.

Same here. I don't rent cars so reliable power for a good 5 years was a top concern as well. I will definitely give the b58 another look in 5 years though! ??

[OpenAir]

Hey Dylan86

What is the "Perf. Edition" option to your 235? Never seen that before.

[redontheline]

Isn't the 235 putting down upwards of 375lbft on third party dynos? Is it expected the 240 will actually be close to 400 by transitive?

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by Modawg

Sweet, I am currently #3 on the 240i waiting list at my dealer, can't wait to do a ED some time next year! LOL
.....sorry, couldn't resist.

In all seriousness, this car does have me thinking about my future M2. I currently drive a convertible 335i ('11) and since a few weeks I have been able to drive with the top down and realized how much I would miss that on the M2. Also, AWD is something I truly miss a few months out of the year.
I am also a chicken when it comes to driving fast, don't want to get too many tickets as I drive for my job. Another thing is lease, I do want to lease my next BMW as I get bored with cars after 2/3 years and I DON'T want to own a beamer out of warranty. That scares me way to much. All these things have me thinking about this for a little bit.
However, I do like the body style of the M2 way more than the 240i. Also, not quite sure about a soft top vs. hard top convertible. Oh well, I have my ED scheduled for December so I have a few months to decide. And BMW my decide for me anyway as I am not even sure if I can get my hands on a M2 by that time.

Wait...there's a 240i waiting list? Or are you joking?

[ORIGIN M.]

Better intake and down-pipe will do the trick.

[Jason]

Full specs for the 230i and M240i:

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by the6M3

Yes. Program your brain by practising how to drive and downshift a manual car properly.

It's Already becoming a lost art .. There is a generation of millennium that grew up behind a monitor and not behind the wheel.

[Bmwbb]

I don't understand why people keep saying m240 is faster than m2 in a straight line. It is close but not faster. not to mention cornering and stuff.

[aerostar]

Originally Posted by Bmwbb

I don't understand why people keep saying m240 is faster than m2 in a straight line. It is close but not faster. not to mention cornering and stuff.

M240i xDrive will most likely be slightly faster in a straight line.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

What the flying fuck does a stoplight performance have to do with what happens at a race track.

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It doesn't even matter what happens at a race track because 95% of them won't even see one. It's funny how everyone talks about performance on a track when they won't even go anywhere near one. Shoot, they'll probably use less than 10% of the cars REAL potential. They're going to be driven every day to and from work and to car meets. They are going to be driven stop light to stop light.

[Kenu8187]

Tires seem relatively narrow for that power output

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

It has been documented over and over again that production at the Leipzig plant is maxed out and they have to alter the production line to make the M2,which reduces the number of cars that they can produce at the plant.On top of that the M2 comes close if not better in performance numbers with the M3 and M4,so BMW isn't going to max out production of the M2,which would reduce sales of there more profitable M cars.IMO the M2 will be produced in limited numbers for its production run.

That doesn't refute my central point though, which is that BMW is in control of the production numbers. Production line time is fungible. BMW could choose to produce more M2 models by reducing the number of normal 2-series they produce. I'm not saying they will; I'm just pointing out that they could.

We're in agreement that BMW would be unwise to do that, because it would cut in to M3/M4 sales. This places the M2 in a tight spot (performance wise) between the M240i — which must meet performance benchmarks to be competitive in the market — and the M3/4, which BMW must protect in order to avoid alienating more valuable (from a profit margin perspective) customers.

Whether the M2 will remain supply constrained has yet to be seen. I'm fully aware of the Lepzeig issue. The M2 fanboy population won't shut about it: "ZOMG Lepzeig is maxed out and they won't be able to produce thousands of M2s! Oh the humanity! Limited production! 1-Series M! Oh my!" Nevermind the fact that under 700 1M copies were sent to the US. If the production of the M2 is limited, the production of the 1M was extremely limited. They were robbing many parts from a car that was at end-of-life (E9x M3), and built on a chassis (E82 1-series) that was at end-of-life. Neither of these issues affect the M2.

In economics, there are two sides to the model: supply and demand. When you look at the total sales volume of cars like the E92 M3 over its life cycle, it becomes clear that BMW doesn't need to make that many M2 copies in order to meet similar demand. What we don't know yet is what the real market demand for the M2 will be over the next 12-months. I don't think it's going to exceed M3/4 demand, but I could be wrong. With the MSRP down in the mid $50k range, we could see greater demand. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion either way.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by kdog26372

Not a lot of course. But, the fact that maybe 5% of M2 owners will track their car (that's the high end of estimates on the M3 forum anyway), acceleration and around town driving will certainly be an important part of the driving experience of the vast majority of owners; M2 or M240. I'd never take my car to a track, so can't ever see picking the more expensive M2 over the M240, plus I prefer to tune my cars and the AWD handles the power much better without having to change to drag radials to launch car. If I did track my car even a couple times a year the M2 would be the far superior car for that.

So buy an M240i. No one is saying you shouldn't.