[whoismorggan]

Made some dyno pulls today at Stage Fab & Performance. Results are 347 WHP & 396 ft-lbs torque. Running MHD OTS Stage 2 - 93 OCT.

5" VRSF intercooler and custom pro-tune are next up on the list

[SJM235]

no offense but those numbers are very low. It makes sense now why I am beating all my mhd tuned m235i friends.. I am running bm3 stage 2 e30 and i absolutely walk them. Most people pushing 400+whp and 450+ wheel torque with bm3

[Liandri]

What do you think of MHD user interface and features? Seems like they have the same core features except mhd has support for XHP flashed transmissions and an officially sanctioned/branded wifi adapter. It's also not cloud reliant so have you figured out how to back up your tunes manually?

Cary Jordan also tunes on both so what ots maps are putting out doesn't really matter if your planning on doing a custom etune anyway

[whoismorggan]

Originally Posted by Liandri

What do you think of MHD user interface and features? Seems like they have the same core features except mhd has support for XHP flashed transmissions and an officially sanctioned/branded wifi adapter. It's also not cloud reliant so have you figured out how to back up your tunes manually?

Cary Jordan also tunes on both so what ots maps are putting out doesn't really matter if your planning on doing a custom etune anyway

I like it! I'd prefer if it was iOS but I bought a cheap Android tablet to tune with. The app has all the features I'd want: catless CEL fix, burble aggressiveness, data logging, etc. and I have the official Wifi adapter that is super quick.

Definitely wasn't planning on just using OTS maps. I'll have Bob at Stage Fab custom tune it after I get the intercooler.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by f20two

I like it! I'd prefer if it was iOS but I bought a cheap Android tablet to tune with. The app has all the features I'd want: catless CEL fix, burble aggressiveness, data logging, etc. and I have the official Wifi adapter that is super quick.

Definitely wasn't planning on just using OTS maps. I'll have Bob at Stage Fab custom tune it after I get the intercooler.

Bob made my tune- IT rips - but I ran out of fuel (pump)

[whoismorggan]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Bob made my tune- IT rips - but I ran out of fuel (pump)

Hell yea that's good to hear. What are you putting to the wheels?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by f20two

Hell yea that's good to hear. What are you putting to the wheels?

I wish I could tell you - the fuel pump cuts at WOT around 4500rpm. I need a new one...

I’m about to freshen the car up and get a baseline and then do a new pump and reflash the tune. It pulled like maddd!

[whoismorggan]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I wish I could tell you - the fuel pump cuts at WOT around 4500rpm. I need a new one...

I'm about to freshen the car up and get a baseline and then do a new pump and reflash the tune. It pulled like maddd!

So was his custom tune the reason the fuel pump tapped out?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by f20two

So was his custom tune the reason the fuel pump tapped out?

Not at all, some cars have a weak pump. It was happening on my JB4 before.

[whoismorggan]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Not at all, some cars have a weak pump. It was happening on my JB4 before.

Gotcha. That scares me. How many miles did you have when it started acting up?

I'm at 84,000 now.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by f20two

Gotcha. That scares me. How many miles did you have when it started acting up?

I'm at 84,000 now.

Get a Carey tune post IC, tell him to make it as good as possible without starving the fuel system. Usually 390-410whp before running into fuel issues on these engines. The IC will go a long way for making peak power, too.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

Get a Carey tune post IC, tell him to make it as good as possible without starving the fuel system. Usually 390-410whp before running into fuel issues on these engines. The IC will go a long way for making peak power, too.

That’s just not true - some people have pump problems on off the shelf tunes, it just depends.

Bob even offered to set the targets lower (which would mean less fuel, and less power) I declined because the underlying reason needs to be corrected first.

I can’t apeak for Carey, but I’ve seen Bob’s dyno tunes make 400whp on pump.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

That’s just not true - some people have pump problems on off the shelf tunes, it just depends.

Bob even offered to set the targets lower (which would mean less fuel, and less power) I declined because the underlying reason needs to be corrected first.

I can’t apeak for Carey, but I’ve seen Bob’s dyno tunes make 400whp on pump.

What part isn't true? "Some people" can't be equated into the masses. If the stock fuel pump can't keep up with an OTS Stage 2 file, unfortunately that's an issue with that particular vehicle. All things being equal, and the pump working as it should, most of these OTS tunes should be making 360-400whp with all supporting mods (DP/intake/FMIC) as we've been seeing from BM3/MHD from day 1.

I'm not suggesting what you're saying isn't factual, but I am saying that if you can't break 400whp on the stock fuel pump, then you have a sole hardware issue that can be resolved by replacing/upgrading the pump.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

What part isn't true? "Some people" can't be equated into the masses. If the stock fuel pump can't keep up with an OTS Stage 2 file, unfortunately that's an issue with that particular vehicle. All things being equal, and the pump working as it should, most of these OTS tunes should be making 360-400whp with all supporting mods (DP/intake/FMIC) as we've been seeing from BM3/MHD from day 1.

I'm not suggesting what you're saying isn't factual, but I am saying that if you can't break 400whp on the stock fuel pump, then you have a sole hardware issue that can be resolved by replacing/upgrading the pump.

I’ve already pointed that out to him - MY pump is going, and it’s independent of the tune. Your follow up was that Carey Jordan can make a tune that won’t break/starve the pump - the implication here being that the tune was causing the pump failure.

That was the part I disagreed with.

[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I’ve already point that out to him - MY pump is going, and it’s independent of the tune. Your follow up was that Carey Jordan can make a tune that won’t break/stave the pump - the implication here that the tune was causing the pump failure.

That was the part I disagreed with.

Yea that makes sense. I wasn't trying to suggest tune fault, simply that a custom tune like CJ can see the data logs and tune based on the real world status of that particular vehicle. Like in your case, a weak pump, the tune is dialed back to get the most out of what it can produce.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by SJM235

no offense but those numbers are very low. It makes sense now why I am beating all my mhd tuned m235i friends.. I am running bm3 stage 2 e30 and i absolutely walk them. Most people pushing 400+whp and 450+ wheel torque with bm3

You're running E30 PLUS the BM3 is a more aggressive tune. This shouldn't be a surprise. Not everyone is drunk on power. It's well known that MHD takes more of a Dinan type approach to tuning is that they strive to deliver reliable, consistent, and safe (i.e., conservative) tuning to deliver the best driving experience. Take note of how many have issues with BM3 tuning vs MHD. There's good reason for that.

f20two - The numbers look solid and safe. You're M235 is making what a stock 2020 Supra is making. Those cars go mid to low 12s and weigh 100lbs less. Your M235 would be right on their tail.

[whoismorggan]

Also note these numbers were in SAE not STD

[ngl]

Originally Posted by SJM235

no offense but those numbers are very low. It makes sense now why I am beating all my mhd tuned m235i friends.. I am running bm3 stage 2 e30 and i absolutely walk them. Most people pushing 400+whp and 450+ wheel torque with bm3

In my experience, bm3 is overly aggressive with their tunes, and get even more so with every update. I get knock even on ACN91 stage1 maps, but MHD was not an option for my engine ( n20 ).

I guess I will have to get a custom tune done, something that doesn't win dyno contests but keeps the engine healthy.

[ChristosD]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

You're running E30 PLUS the BM3 is a more aggressive tune. This shouldn't be a surprise. Not everyone is drunk on power. It's well known that MHD takes more of a Dinan type approach to tuning is that they strive to deliver reliable, consistent, and safe (i.e., conservative) tuning to deliver the best driving experience. Take note of how many have issues with BM3 tuning vs MHD. There's good reason for that.

f20two - The numbers look solid and safe. You're M235 is making what a stock 2020 Supra is making. Those cars go mid to low 12s and weigh 100lbs less. Your M235 would be right on their tail.

majority of the issues are user based, connectivity issues and only version 7 ots maps had issues. its been absolutely solid