[PeterWT]

As reported here:
https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show...99&postcount=1
The next 2 coupe (G42) "will start production in mid-2021 and will possibly be made primarily or entirely in Mexico."

So, model year 2022.
My M240i will be ~5 years old. I may start looking for something new at that point and possibly ready to buy by the time the LCI is out (2024?).
I guess built in Mexico would mean no European Delivery, which I was considering for my next. That sux.

Anyone else interested? Thoughts?

[stevenvillatoro]

Originally Posted by PeterWT

I guess built in Mexico would mean no European Delivery, which I was considering for my next. That sux.

Anyone else interested? Thoughts?

The bad news is that there would be no European Delivery.

The good news is there could be Mexican Delivery. So, if you live in North America, you could then drive your car all the way home.

I hear the new 2 Series will be powerful enough to leap tall walls in a single bound.

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Lol cars will be smuggled with bags of coke stuffed in thr panels

[Pray for Mojo]

The sweet spot might be picking up a late production M2C towards the end of 2021. My car will be 7 years old by then.

[Dylan86]

Is this new platform to retain the longitudinal engine configuration? Or is this the point BMW says "F U" to the purists, and takes a leap towards a transverse production platform for all chassis ? I know it's going to happen, for everything except for full M models, just a matter of "when"?

[morphomeman]

It's hard to see how they could use a longitudinal set-up for M-cars only. Are there any series in which this is true now? Which platform, if any, uses a transverse set-up at this point?
Not being an engineer, I am also curious about the effect of transverse mounting on balance. It was first used on the original Mini in 1959 to save space, so that almost all the length of the car could be used for passengers (with a tiny trunk). The Mini is often considered to be the most revolutionary car design of all time and its creator, Alec issigonis, is a god. These old Minis were raced competitively in all sorts of events.

[Joe240]

One could argue the 2 series because the (correct me if I’m wrong) active tourer is a transverse motor but the normal coupe is longitudinal. It’s possible, but I think using the same platform and body would be difficult and pointless to develop 2 engine layouts. The active tourer 2 series is a different body layout than the normal coupe

[morphomeman]

Precisely my point! Only the name is the same, the platform is completely different.

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

Precisely my point! Only the name is the same, the platform is completely different.

BMW keeps talking about the 2 coupe being the entry rear-driver, but if it helps the forum groupthink, by all means interpret this your own personal way as being “this will be a front-drive econocar”...

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by Joe240

One could argue the 2 series because the (correct me if I’m wrong) active tourer is a transverse motor but the normal coupe is longitudinal. It’s possible, but I think using the same platform and body would be difficult and pointless to develop 2 engine layouts. The active tourer 2 series is a different body layout than the normal coupe

The current F22 is derived from the F30 platform and the next 2 coupe will be derived from the CLAR platform. I don’t understand what is so difficult - or difficult to believe - about that.

[rainfall]

most likely will be RWD. I don't think they'll want to make that much different than what it is now. They need a small RWD platform for the M2. I just hope it doesn't get much heavier or bigger.

[CP911]

No way it goes transverse/FWD. Why would anyone buy it over the existing A3 or Golf only to give up several doors in the process? They will go transverse on the entry level, high volume commuter cars like the X1, X2, and even upcoming 2er GC just to save on costs because they are all 5-door spin-offs of the Mini UKL (FWD-based) platform, and they want to realize economies of scale on this previous R&D effort. However, they would have absolutely no chance of selling as many 2-series coupes as they did this generation if they neuter the coupe as well with a transverse layout. Only reason I bought my 2-series was because of the RWD, longitudinal layout. Well, and it had a 6MT option.

[PeterWT]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

The current F22 is derived from the F30 platform and the next 2 coupe will be derived from the CLAR platform. I don’t understand what is so difficult - or difficult to believe - about that.

Yeah, not sure what everyone is confused about. The G42 will be based on the new CLAR platform, which is what the 3,4,5,6,7 and 8 series are based on.
I would not have expressed interest if it were going to be based on a transverse FWD Mini platform.

[Joe240]

Don’t confuse what I’m saying. The next gen 2er will be rwd because of the CLAR platform. What I’m saying is why would a manufacturer develop a transverse AND longitudinal layout for the same platform. The current gen 2er does have both engine configurations, but it’s with the addition of a separate platform and body layout. A manufacturer wouldn’t, in their right mind, have a platform like the CLAR and offer 2 engine layouts, specially with the same body style. For example, a rwd 230i, or an xDrive 230i with the X1 transverse layout for AWD.

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Don’t confuse what I’m saying. The next gen 2er will be rwd because of the CLAR platform. What I’m saying is why would a manufacturer develop a transverse AND longitudinal layout for the same platform. The current gen 2er does have both engine configurations, but it’s with the addition of a separate platform and body layout. A manufacturer wouldn’t, in their right mind, have a platform like the CLAR and offer 2 engine layouts, specially with the same body style. For example, a rwd 230i, or an xDrive 230i with the X1 transverse layout for AWD.

They’re not the same platform, though. UKL and CLAR are quite different. At one point in the model range they cross over; they both happen to be called 2 series but that’s about all they share. I think it’s great that BMW can downsize the CLAR platform, as it has with the F3x platform, to something 2 series sized.

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

They’re not the same platform, though. UKL and CLAR are quite different. At one point in the model range they cross over; they both happen to be called 2 series but that’s about all they share. I think it’s great that BMW can downsize the CLAR platform, as it has with the F3x platform, to something 2 series sized.

I agree 100%. I know they aren’t the same platform. I was saying one could argue that they offered both configurations in the 2 series but they’re separate platforms.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Don’t confuse what I’m saying. The next gen 2er will be rwd because of the CLAR platform. What I’m saying is why would a manufacturer develop a transverse AND longitudinal layout for the same platform. The current gen 2er does have both engine configurations, but it’s with the addition of a separate platform and body layout. A manufacturer wouldn’t, in their right mind, have a platform like the CLAR and offer 2 engine layouts, specially with the same body style. For example, a rwd 230i, or an xDrive 230i with the X1 transverse layout for AWD.

Check out VW MLB (Audi A4 for example) vs MQB (VW Arteon for example). Both about the same size and considered intra-corporate competitors. MLB and MQB are two engine configuration alternatives of the similar overall platform architecture. Interestingly, MLB is not expected to survive.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...roup-platforms

[Lucky1]

I heard the G42 has been nicknamed "The Drift Machine" internally so fair to assume RWD is likely? What I'm more interested in is whether it will come in a manual or will that be dropped like on the G20 and only reserved for the M2.

[MarkDemma]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

The current F22 is derived from the F30 platform and the next 2 coupe will be derived from the CLAR platform. I don’t understand what is so difficult - or difficult to believe - about that.

I thought it was derived from F20/21 1 Series platform.

[snaketh]

Originally Posted by PeterWT

As reported here:
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So, model year 2022.
My M240i will be ~5 years old. I may start looking for something new at that point and possibly ready to buy by the time the LCI is out (2024?).
I guess built in Mexico would mean no European Delivery, which I was considering for my next. That sux.

Anyone else interested? Thoughts?

Bums me out there won't be Euro Delivery. But I'm more concerned about MT.

My plan is to keep my 2015 M235i until we find out whether it will come in MT. If it won't then I'll get a 2020 M240 or a Porsche 718 Boxter S.

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by MarkDemma

I thought it was derived from F20/21 1 Series platform.

It is, although that is also derived from the F30. Although “designed at the same time” is nearer the mark as both F20/1 and F30 were released in 2011.

I’m referring to the suspension design, general chassis layout and drivetrain of course; the F20/1 body is narrower and shorter than the F30.

My understanding, and this is based on interpretation of the launch material and technical details I could get at the time, is that the F22 was equipped at launch with several runnning changes derived from early F20/F30 production and given different tuning, with a greater reliance on ride comfort than the hatch, favouring F30 dynamics. As it happens BMW managed to give it slightly better dynamics for keen drivers, being better balanced than the 1er and smaller and nimbler than the 3er.

Tests of early 1ers in the U.K. were complimentary about the balance, all the engines and improvement on interior space vs E82, but also spoke of floatiness and a tendency to fidget on pockmarked roads. Both of these were addressed to some degree in the 2er, and then in the 1er LCI in 2015 or so. Having said that I find my 230’s rear end to fidget a bit on imperfect surfaces, and prone to pogo-ing. It also hits its bumpstops even at sensible speeds on mild crests.

[BenDiem]

^^^ Does your 230i have the track pack/staggered wheels?
I wonder if having staggered wheels, with the half inch wider wheels and 245 tires helps in balancing the nervous rear end?

I had that same pogo/skittish issue with my '12 128i, with square set 17" wheels/tires. Curious...

Cheers/b