[mblaucoupe135]

that the new Z4 M40i and M340i have the same engine as our M240i but have a lot more horsepower? I get that they are both new models and all but clearly this engine is capable of a lot more power and in my mind the M240i should have roughly the same power output as these two cars! I have spent thousands of dollars on top of what I paid for my car for dinan additions to hopefully make it have close to this level of power.

[USA-RET]

Yes and no.

The M240i is still very quick regardless of what the published HP/TQ rating shows. Every dyno report shows the car producing more HP/TQ than what the brochure said. It could be that BMW is publishing HP/TQ numbers closer to actual on the new models or perhaps adding a bit more tune to the cars.

Sure, it would be nice for coffee shop chat w/ buddies comparing "numbers" to have more of everything. In reality, if BMW published numbers for your M240i w/ HP of 385HP and 420 lb.ft TQ, and you got behind the wheel and floored it, Would you not believe their claim?

I came of of a C7 Corvette w/ published numbers of 455 and 460. When I drove my M240i, I can say, I thought the M240i was pretty close to the C7 performance (certainly more than I could ever use safely on the street), w/ the Dinan, I sense virtually no difference...both of those cars are scary fast.

Another point is, there is a sweet spot where cars start to hit a brick wall when it comes to actual street performance. 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times. M3/M4 0-60 3.9 M2 -4.0 (old) New M2CS 4.0 M240i 4.4 (w/o a tune). Add a tune and you are likely within a .10 tick of the M3/M4 time. Their published HP TQ 425/406. So really what does it actually mean (other than Coffee shop chat).

I test drove a 2016 Audi TTS and found that my JCW tuned Mini Cooper felt faster and was way more responsive and the numbers (HP/TQ) differential was close to 100 in the Audi's favor.

[p912guy]

Newer, better, faster, more powerful with each successive new model - par for the course.

[hwntime]

Originally Posted by mblaucoupe135

that the new Z4 M40i and M340i have the same engine as our M240i but have a lot more horsepower? I get that they are both new models and all but clearly this engine is capable of a lot more power and in my mind the M240i should have roughly the same power output as these two cars! I have spent thousands of dollars on top of what I paid for my car for dinan additions to hopefully make it have close to this level of power.

So you get get annoyed with each subsequent iPhone/iPad/MacBook release? Every generation update from year to year improves on the previous model. It's called technology.

[bryan_G01]

and how do you think us n55 guys felt when we had to spend $6k to hit 11s and you b58 guys did it with only a stage 1 tune...

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

Yes and no.

The M240i is still very quick regardless of what the published HP/TQ rating shows. Every dyno report shows the car producing more HP/TQ than what the brochure said. It could be that BMW is publishing HP/TQ numbers closer to actual on the new models or perhaps adding a bit more tune to the cars.

Sure, it would be nice for coffee shop chat w/ buddies comparing "numbers" to have more of everything. In reality, if BMW published numbers for your M240i w/ HP of 385HP and 420 lb.ft TQ, and you got behind the wheel and floored it, Would you not believe their claim?

I came of of a C7 Corvette w/ published numbers of 455 and 460. When I drove my M240i, I can say, I thought the M240i was pretty close to the C7 performance (certainly more than I could ever use safely on the street), w/ the Dinan, I sense virtually no difference...both of those cars are scary fast.

Another point is, there is a sweet spot where cars start to hit a brick wall when it comes to actual street performance. 0-60 time and 1/4 mile times. M3/M4 0-60 3.9 M2 -4.0 (old) New M2CS 4.0 M240i 4.4 (w/o a tune). Add a tune and you are likely within a .10 tick of the M3/M4 time. Their published HP TQ 425/406. So really what does it actually mean (other than Coffee shop chat).

I test drove a 2016 Audi TTS and found that my JCW tuned Mini Cooper felt faster and was way more responsive and the numbers (HP/TQ) differential was close to 100 in the Audi's favor.

yeah that makes sense but that means most likely that the new Z4 and M340i are considerably underrated too.

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by hwntime

So you get get annoyed with each subsequent iPhone/iPad/MacBook release? Every generation update from year to year improves on the previous model. It's called technology.

to some extent yeah...lol. but I spent $50k on my m240i as opposed to $1k or so for a new phone. I think I would feel better about it if it were a whole new engine but it's not.

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

and how do you think us n55 guys felt when we had to spend $6k to hit 11s and you b58 guys did it with only a stage 1 tune...

yeah that does suck, but that made a little bit more sense to me as the B58 was a whole new engine.

[USA-RET]

Originally Posted by mblaucoupe135

yeah that makes sense but that means most likely that the new Z4 and M340i are considerably underrated too.

Yes, that could be or not, but in the end they are just numbers. I expected much more from the Audi TTS than it delivered based on the numbers. Actual performance (acceleration) isn't likely to vary that much in the end.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by mblaucoupe135

that the new Z4 M40i and M340i have the same engine as our M240i but have a lot more horsepower? I get that they are both new models and all but clearly this engine is capable of a lot more power and in my mind the M240i should have roughly the same power output as these two cars! I have spent thousands of dollars on top of what I paid for my car for dinan additions to hopefully make it have close to this level of power.

If it makes you feel any better, your M240 is making more like 390hp stock (i.e., it's way underrated). It's quite possible that BMW didn't add much power to the Z4 M40i and it's just reflective of it's true power. If it's that big of a deal to you, add a simple Dinan piggyback and have the same power. It's not worth loosing sleep over it.

[amw896]

no....it cost more money

[Lew Carrum]

Those are both newer cars anyway, the next model m240 will probably have the same power.

[aerobod]

Also, the B58B30O1 engine in the new M340i / M440i / Z4 M40i are not offered with a manual transmission in any market, that will likely be the case with the next M240i, I expect.

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

Yes, that could be or not, but in the end they are just numbers. I expected much more from the Audi TTS than it delivered based on the numbers. Actual performance (acceleration) isn't likely to vary that much in the end.

yeah that's true. it really doesn't matter on the real world and is mostly for bragging rights!

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

If it makes you feel any better, your M240 is making more like 390hp stock (i.e., it's way underrated). It's quite possible that BMW didn't add much power to the Z4 M40i and it's just reflective of it's true power. If it's that big of a deal to you, add a simple Dinan piggyback and have the same power. It's not worth loosing sleep over it.

yeah you are probably right. I already added stage 1 dinan, cf intake and midpipe and car feels way more alive now!

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by Lew Carrum

Those are both newer cars anyway, the next model m240 will probably have the same power.

I would hope so. I do have to say I am glad bmw keeps increasing the power in these cars as the competition is doing the same. it's crazy to think of a stock, non-M 3 series sedan making almost 400 hp these days!

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by mblaucoupe135

it's crazy to think of a stock, non-M 3 series sedan making almost 400 hp these days!

Indeed. In fact, hands down this is by far the best time ever to be a car guy or car gal.

Despite what can seem like high prices, the bang-for-the-buck today is incredible: value, reliability, handling, speed. utility, safety, technology...you name it, and you can have it in spades from any number of manufacturers.

[mblaucoupe135]

Originally Posted by dradernh

Indeed. In fact, hands down this is by far the best time ever to be a car guy or car gal.

Despite what can seem like high prices, the bang-for-the-buck today is incredible: value, reliability, handling, speed. utility, safety, technology...you name it, and you can have it in spades from any number of manufacturers.

yeah for sure! I suppose I just need to be grateful for having such a bad ass car like the M240i and not worry that it doesn't have quite as much hp as some of the newer models!

[Think-U-R-Mario-Andretti?]

Dinan can bump up the power to 400hp or even a little more

[hwntime]

I believe the reason BMW and other manufactures keep upping their HP/TQ output is because of the stiff competition now put on by Tesla's Model 3 Performance. A $52k car which blasts 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and a 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds! That's Porsche GT3 territory and it's a ridiculous amount of bang-for-the-buck. Slowly but surely, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, etc. are losing market shares from the upper middle class. Even factoring in a $10k dealer mark-up, you're getting an incredible amount of performance for $62k. I'm actually considering one once supply catches up to demand a bit and we're not hit with a $10k premium and a 2 year wait list lol A 310 mile range off of one charge is farther than I go in my BMW on a full tank of gas.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by hwntime

I believe the reason BMW and other manufactures keep upping their HP/TQ output is because of the stiff competition now put on by Tesla's Model 3 Performance. A $52k car which blasts 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and a 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds! That's Porsche GT3 territory and it's a ridiculous amount of bang-for-the-buck. Slowly but surely, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, etc. are losing market shares from the upper middle class. Even factoring in a $10k dealer mark-up, you're getting an incredible amount of performance for $62k. I'm actually considering one once supply catches up to demand a bit and we're not hit with a $10k premium and a 2 year wait list lol A 310 mile range off of one charge is farther than I go in my BMW on a full tank of gas.

I know people talk about, in effect, cross-shopping BMW with Tesla, and for the life of me I can't figure it out. The first data points of comparison seem to be 0-60 & ¼-mile times & speeds, which confound me even further. Are they really buying them to go up against Camaros and Challengers in their local Saturday night Stoplight Grand Prix, or are they just buying numbers?

I'm reminded of a woman I knew way back when who couldn't figure out if she should buy a Cadillac or a Mitsubishi. I was unable to help.

BMW vs. Tesla...if they're mentioned at all, handling and build quality are noted only in passing. Color me...

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by mblaucoupe135

that the new Z4 M40i and M340i have the same engine as our M240i but have a lot more horsepower? I get that they are both new models and all but clearly this engine is capable of a lot more power and in my mind the M240i should have roughly the same power output as these two cars! I have spent thousands of dollars on top of what I paid for my car for dinan additions to hopefully make it have close to this level of power.

The Canadian M240i already has 5 more HP (340 HP) vs the U.S. M240i (335HP)

Canadian specs:
https://www.bmw.ca/en/all-models/2-s...SAAEgLZs_D_BwE

U.S specs:
https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/2-series.html