[verheizer]

I was wondering (since the installation of sways is so expensive) what you guys think of harder bushings for the stock sway bars.
1.Can you install them without working half a day on the car?
2.In combination with coilovers/stiffer springs, wouldn't the body roll be reduced enough? (I know that's subjective..)

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by verheizer

I was wondering (since the installation of sways is so expensive) what you guys think of harder bushings for the stock sway bars.
1.Can you install them without working half a day on the car?
2.In combination with coilovers/stiffer springs, wouldn't the body roll be reduced enough? (I know that's subjective..)

It is so expensive, because you basically have to drop the drive train out of the car, the sway bars sit above where they sit on the chassis on most cars.

1. Absolutely not, in fact I think turner is prob the only shop that could get it done in 6-8 hours. If I was within a few hundred miles of them I would have them do it. It is a serious job and a lot of components have to be braced or considered. I think a good indy shop will take 10-12 if they have not done it and are being cautious.

2. No, the car exhibits to much roll, and puts a lot of stress on the suspension. May be fine for road driving, but track, autocross no way. In fact a few people have broken there coilovers from the stress.

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by i8ur911

I have F8x LCA's as well.

What adjustable links are you using?

Custom made them at my shop, it helps to have a few million in cnc equipment. I wanted really strong links and joints since for some reason these cars exhibit a huge amount of load transfer and forces on the suspension. I am trying to reduce this as much as possible to let the suspension do its job.

I will also be making some rear lower control arm bushings soon, since I toasted mine tracking the car. But to be fair my car is heavily modded and when on the dyno was putting out 410hp and 500ft pds of torque at wheel

[zipphreak]

It aint true if you dont have any dyno's and pic's of the pulls. I wanna see that 410hp/500ft.

Haha so Why don't you CNC and sell some sway bar links on the forum ?

[semclane]

What ever happened to the Hotchkis sways? After mid-March post saying they would be available at the end of April, this thread has gone over to an H&R discussion. The Hotchkiss web site has no mention of swayers for the F22 chassis.

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by zipphreak

It aint true if you dont have any dyno's and pic's of the pulls. I wanna see that 410hp/500ft.

Haha so Why don't you CNC and sell some sway bar links on the forum ?

Sorry do not post my pulls, do not care to get involved in a measuring contest. I can say to get it you need meth, jb4 tune, ff, e30 fuel and some other mods.

As far as the end links go, I think many off the shelf applications would work.

My company makes rapid prototype parts for the military, so spitting out end links would not be viable.

[zipphreak]

I appreciate that, and i was just busting on yah I am really interested in that 500 ft lb of torque that must break loose those rear wheels like crazy.

Are you running 50/50 meth or 100%

-Paul

[Iceman51sn]

Originally Posted by semclane

What ever happened to the Hotchkis sways? After mid-March post saying they would be available at the end of April, this thread has gone over to an H&R discussion. The Hotchkiss web site has no mention of swayers for the F22 chassis.

There's a member on here that got them installed by Hotchkiss but your right the site doesn't have them listed for our car. I'll find him and ask.

[Mitchsays21]

Originally Posted by Iceman51sn

There's a member on here that got them installed by Hotchkiss but your right the site doesn't have them listed for our car. I'll find him and ask.

I have a prototype set on my car from Hotchkis. Have you tried emailing/calling them directly? It's possible their website is outdated

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by zipphreak

I appreciate that, and i was just busting on yah I am really interested in that 500 ft lb of torque that must break loose those rear wheels like crazy.

Are you running 50/50 meth or 100%

-Paul

Yes all the way to 3rd. 50/50. I only use the meth at the track (road corse). Cools the intake, and adds power, win win. Only downside is I have tore up the rear end bushings, but that could be too much drifting. Really could not imagine the car without it anymore.

[Iceman51sn]

Originally Posted by Mitchsays21

I have a prototype set on my car from Hotchkis. Have you tried emailing/calling them directly? It's possible their website is outdated

Cool. I'll email them. Thanks.

[i8ur911]

Originally Posted by verheizer

I was wondering (since the installation of sways is so expensive) what you guys think of harder bushings for the stock sway bars.
1.Can you install them without working half a day on the car?
2.In combination with coilovers/stiffer springs, wouldn't the body roll be reduced enough? (I know that's subjective..)

Pparana is right.....upgrading to a stiffer sway bar bushing isn't going to really do anything. The bar itself is what keeps the car from rolling. The stock rear bar on the 2 series is about as thick as a pencil.....it's pretty sad.

For install, you need to brace the engine from above, unbolt the front subframe, lower it down and pull the stock sway bar out. Then put everything back together. The rear is pretty much the same with exception of bracing the engine obviously.

In the end, it's a lot of work, but worth every penny. The car has very little roll at this point and turn-in has been greatly improved.

[i8ur911]

So, a little more feedback on the sway bars. I've had my H&R bars installed for roughly 2.5 weeks. I can honestly say, is the BEST upgrade that I've done to the car performance wise. Initial turn in is amazing. I've gotten rid of the excessive body roll that I was experiencing before. And last, the rear end will actually start to slide mid corner if coaxed enough.

Again, I'm truly impressed with the characteristic change made to my car and would highly recommend these to anyone who autocrosses or tracks their 2 series. Well worth the install "hassle".

[KAY-OS]

Originally Posted by i8ur911

So, a little more feedback on the sway bars. I've had my H&R bars installed for roughly 2.5 weeks. I can honestly say, is the BEST upgrade that I've done to the car performance wise. Initial turn in is amazing. I've gotten rid of the excessive body roll that I was experiencing before. And last, the rear end will actually start to slide mid corner if coaxed enough.

Again, I'm truly impressed with the characteristic change made to my car and would highly recommend these to anyone who autocrosses or tracks their 2 series. Well worth the install "hassle".

Have you tried the less stiff setting on the front bars?

[i8ur911]

Originally Posted by KAY-OS

Have you tried the less stiff setting on the front bars?

I have not.

The car still understeers a little, so there's no reason to change from the stiffest setting.

Ideally, I'd like to have another -0.5* of camber upfront.

[KAY-OS]

Originally Posted by i8ur911

I have not.

The car still understeers a little, so there's no reason to change from the stiffest setting.

Ideally, I'd like to have another -0.5* of camber upfront.

Thanks for the info!

[th1rd3y3]

Just gonna leave this here for anyone in the future so they don't deal with the crap I've dealt with this weekend. The 228i bar WILL NOT fit the M235i. There is no bend in the bar for engine clearance and the bar will contact the engine on an M235i. I found this out the hard way by though some confusion on my part and ordered a 228i H&R bar thinking they would work. They don't. I'm hoping I can get something sorted out with a replacement from Turner, if not, I'll probably be selling a 228i bar in the very near future.

[x233]

Originally Posted by i8ur911

I have not.

The car still understeers a little, so there's no reason to change from the stiffest setting.

Ideally, I'd like to have another -0.5* of camber upfront.

I'd say that's exactly the reason to try a slightly softer setting for the front. Usually, too stiff front (relative to the rear) results in understeer as you need some body roll in the front for proper turn in and cornering. I'd try softening the front, if that turns into oversteer I'd use adjustable end links to set it just right (stiffen a bit but not too much). In fact, I'd use adjustable end links in any case to dial the front to a sweet spot (or, as an option, you could try gradually softening the front via end links changing their length while still connected to the stiffer setting on the sway bar). I'd try.

[abirmaher]

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[Tech at Hotchkis]

Guys,

You may have seen the tread by Dt20011 about testing our bars but in case you missed it, they are finally available. Dt20011 even brought two cars for one of the sessions, which was much appreciated. We worked hard testing on the street and the track to develop these Bars. Good for autocross, road course and open road-racing applications too.

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22840 Fits Platforms:
F22 - BMW 2-series 4 cylinder (N20) 2014+ 228i
F30 - BMW 3-series 4 cylinder (N20) 2012+ 320i, 328i
F32 - BMW 4-series 4 cylinder (N20) 2014+ 428i

Specifications 4 cylinder (N20) 2014+ 228i:
Lightweight & durable 32mm tubular steel front sway bar
Lightweight & durable 16mm tubular steel rear sway bar
Front Rates: 170%/195%/225% stiffer than stock BMW 228i
Rear Rates: 115%/130% stiffer than stock BMW 228i
Premium mounting hardware including upgraded brackets & greasable polyurethane bushings

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F22 - 2-series 6 cylinder (N55) 2014+ M235i
F30 - 3-series 6 cylinder (N55) 2012+ 335i
F32 - 4-series 6 cylinder (N55) 2014+ 435i

Specifications 6 cylinder (N55) 2014+ M235i:
Lightweight & durable 32mm tubular steel front sway bar
Lightweight & durable 19mm tubular steel rear sway bar
Front Rates: 100%/115%/140% stiffer than stock BMW M235i)
Rear Rate: 80 lbs/in (100% stiffer than stock BMW M235i)
Premium mounting hardware including upgraded brackets & greasable polyurethane bushings


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