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i personally really like having Nav and iDrive....so could never buy a BMW without one, but i don't think of them as part of a 'simple' setup. Maybe it's just the word simple that i found questionable! |
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09-26-2013, 11:33 AM | #24 | |
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Simple to me means a few options you as the consumer must have if you are going to purchase that vehicle new. Honestly, it is my only "must have" option in a new M car at least. So let me try again. I'll take the car in a few ways 1) 6sp, speed clothe, nav, sunroof delete, M performance brakes? - if NOT included I would purchase them (no ceramics) 2) Everything above + comfort access for convenience of a new high end BMW and every day daily driving ... +$500? 3) comfort access + upgraded stereo if price isn't insane ... +$850 Anything past that I simply do not need. If I went to the dealer and found one in the lot and it had leather would I take it? Absolutely if the price is right. Do I necessarily want leather? Nah I dont need it! and definitely do not want a sunroof and heated seats because I dont use both. BUT when you find leather, and heated seats, generally you find it in a package that includes a stupid sunroof as well as other options like "folding mirrors!?" ... Now im at BMW and looking to spend an extra 5k because leather added heated seats, a sunroof deleting my carbon roof (carbon is a must have!), and stupid folding mirrors that look cool? So I walk out empty handed and the next guy who goes in purchases the car and spends the extra money making BMW believe that these M2 cars sell like hot cakes and for an extra 5k (lets say 60K OTD instead of 55K simply because of options I dont want or need - well you dont really want or need them either!) I just feel like with the 1M they gave us the car and the options the way I suggested above and people ate it up! I hope they keep the platform of options to the consumers in similar fashion for the future M2 |
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09-28-2013, 06:04 AM | #26 | |
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I basically want a smaller, lighter M4 with less options. Meaning I want the carbon pieces, the LSD, the custom-built chassis, etc. Unlike others, I do want a lot of color/interior options. The more the better.
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09-28-2013, 01:41 PM | #27 |
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Hmmm...how about...
1. 2800 lb curb weight 2. 375-400 hp 3. 6 speed & DCT options 4. 'Track pack', i.e. something like the Laguna Seca Model for the Boss 302 5. High Performance Seats (maybe part of track pack) 6. Standard Big Brakes (say the set off the current M3 - would work well given the weight of the car) 7. Hydraulic steering pump (rather than electric) 8. Tunable engine and suspension 9. Limited lux or comfort features in standard car (or the ability to de-content with Track Pack) |
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09-29-2013, 12:54 AM | #28 |
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I'd love to see a lighter more sports-oriented version of the M4, but I don't expect to.
I think it will be a quick car that is aimed at a lower price point to attract new customers from other brands (RS3, Golf R, MB CLA etc), but there is no way BMW will build it good enough to cannibalise M4 sales. |
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09-30-2013, 10:34 AM | #29 | |
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My ex's Audi A4 had a carbon driveshaft fifteen years ago, and while having lighter drivertrain parts is good, it's not helping the center of gravity. The new carbon roof bow is cool though and I suspect uses like that will continue to permeate BMW's whole line. We already know the weight of the M135i, so the M235i is unlikely to be any lighter, and likely heavier due to the LSD and additional content likely to be standard. |
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10-08-2013, 01:35 PM | #30 |
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I think that MB AMG already set the pace in this segment with the new CLA 45 AMG - 360 hp 2.0 litre turbo 4 and AWD ... I believe that BMW will respond with this car in mind
http://www.mercedes-amg.com/webspeci.../index_eng.php Last edited by scrammer; 10-08-2013 at 01:47 PM.. |
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10-12-2013, 10:06 AM | #33 |
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As I read all of these forums regarding the new 2 3 4, I can't stop thinking that all of these cars are basically the same thing just re incarnated
Let's make the M2 a little different ... How about a light weight 'raw' track car for the street with a noteworthy 10,000 rpm naturally aspirated inline 6 engine. I want to see BMW engineers give us something special not just a smaller version of a 4 with a de-tuned 'off the shelf' engine. We need some excitement back in the ///M line-up |
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10-12-2013, 10:34 AM | #34 | |
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I would love to see a factory 1M CSL back then and will love to see a M2 CSL in the near future but I believe it is simply day-dreaming.
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10-12-2013, 11:58 AM | #35 |
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Air conditioning Defroster A radio w/ ipod connectivity No i-drive S55 B30 Clutch LSD with bolt-on ring gear Heavy duty drive and half-shafts Non-electric seats (come on, they are slow and heavy) No sunroof Less sound deadening material Whatever transmission options that mate to the S55 B30 Techno-violet |
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