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View Poll Results: What is your engine of choice for the upcoming M2? | |||
i4, and I won't buy an M2 otherwise | 14 | 2.75% | |
I4, but I don't really care either way and I would consider an M2 regardless | 70 | 13.73% | |
I6, but I don't really care either way and I would consider an M2 regardless | 124 | 24.31% | |
I6 only for me. I ain't buying an M2 with anything else | 302 | 59.22% | |
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05-04-2013, 08:44 AM | #155 | ||
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I have faith in M as long as its on their terms and not pressure from marketing to get one into the market (E36 M3). T |
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05-04-2013, 05:58 PM | #156 |
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Variable turbos are much better for turbo lag. I also read somewhere that electric turbos may have no lag at all (and can be considered an energy efficiency gizmo to some extent).
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05-05-2013, 02:42 AM | #157 |
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You know what? I quite like this idea of a S38:
"C/D: BMW is working on a compact vehicle architecture that will be fitted with three-cylinder engines. Is that a topic of discussion for you as well? FN: The three-cylinder is an attractive engine. It is possible to reach around 185 to 200 horsepower per liter in a forced-induction three-cylinder and we have 1.5 liters of displacement. Such an engine, which, by the way, sounds very similar to a six-cylinder engine, would have over 310 horsepower. And we are not even at the limit there. Generally speaking, I could imagine such an engine."
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05-05-2013, 02:45 AM | #158 |
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Werks testwagens are already been rolling out on the streets... 1.5L 3 cylinder turbo = 310 HP
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05-05-2013, 08:58 PM | #161 | |
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I know you can't read into things, but it is really interesting for them to state that the B38 is good for 185hp to 200hp per litre, and then follow on to say 1.5L gives 310hp. 200 x 1.5 is 300hp and not 310hp. German engineers being precise usually would not state something like this unless they are already working towards a target. Interestingly, if the car is 1400kg (a saving of 100kg), it will give a power to weight ratio of 220hp/tonne, very similar to the current 1M. I am not saying we are going to have a M spec 3 cylinder turbo, but I am saying that 310hp is the target HP. Imagine a tri-scroll turbo, with a E-turbo setup. It would be something very special.
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05-06-2013, 06:35 AM | #162 | ||
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The words of someone who's never driven a 3cyl They sound and shake like a tractor. Ed: do any of you really want the m1/m2 to be slower than the m135i or m235i? Or the previous 1m coupe? 400hp 6cyl or it fails, plain and simple. |
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05-06-2013, 06:42 AM | #164 | ||
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Its not til 400-450 it needs a bigger turbo and starts getting laggy and hard to daily haha |
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05-06-2013, 09:51 AM | #165 |
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You are clearly in for a lot of disappointment. As for it being slower than an M235i in a straight line, sure, I really don't care. I'm okay with the M235i catering to the recent round of hp folks that BMW has attracted since the N54 came along and the M2 catering to the longer term BMW fans who were accustomed to BMW's not necessarily being straight line performers, but balanced performers that could out handle most other cars. Think E36 (euro) or E46 M3's. With the F8x car providing good power and lots of torque, I really hope BMW takes a different approach with the M2 and doesn't chase magazine numbers, but goes for the fun to drive factor like they achieved with the 1M.
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05-06-2013, 01:19 PM | #166 | |
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Since you mentioned the M2's predecessor the 1M, BMW has already shown that they can make a car that is both fast in a straight line and a lot of fun to drive. Why mess with a winning formula? The cheaper route for BMW (which also happens to be the preferred option by most on this forum according to this survey) is to continue the same formula of the 1M, with a little more power from a Turbo I6 and a little less weight. 350-360 Hp and 3200 lbs would be realistic in my humble opinion. |
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05-06-2013, 02:04 PM | #167 | |
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Again, BMW will have tons of options here, between the M2, M4, M235i and 435i/M435i, you should be able to pick any number of quick cars (all of which will be far from the quickest in their price range) and making one stand out as different seems likes a real possibility here, rather than creating four similar slices of bratwurst. The 1M was not significantly quicker than a DSG 135i or a 335is, yet it certainly has maintained better resale and more community love than either of those. |
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05-06-2013, 02:58 PM | #168 |
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It is interesting and a bit worrying why BMW is still not clearing up the fundamental questions here about the engine choice of next M2. It's been sometime since 1M production ceased and the new generation 1 series hatch models have been around the Globe for more than a year now. So why this hesitance or slowness, this makes me think; if they are going to benefit from all this longer development period vs. limited period for 1M which they keep on saying, then they should be working on the minor details already not this pre-engine category discussion.
Either they are working on a surprise 4 cylinder (or 3) which will be able to give similar performance to M2 compared to both 1M and at least new A45AMG to be competitive or they will offer a version of existing I6s and in both cases they don't want to make their choice public (I believe they already made their mind, decision is taken). Maybe a desire to watch market reaction to next M3/M4 first? Not to let certain potential buyers of next M3/M4 choose to wait for the M2? Or to see how well newcomers like A45 AMG, next RS3 or a Alfa 4C fare against each other and existing BMW models? Despite the success of 1M and now M135i I still sense a half-heartedness of BMW with regard to their "entry level M car". It is still not a priority. Hope I am wrong.
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if you on't think all previous m-cars absolutely dominate all other cars in their class in a straight line... you're crazy haha - both those M3's had 300+hp (320+) stock N/A with room for more (!!) yeah it' going to be incredibly balanced and handle amazingly, but they're not going to let it be out-driven on the track by a non-M.. and sorry to say, but power matters in that case. |
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05-06-2013, 04:31 PM | #170 | |
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STI has more power (like... 80hp more), better suspension, brakes, wider chassis (yes the whole floorpan is wider), lighter wheels.. heck even the internals and turbo of the engine are uprated from factory for easier tuning i mean... what???.. and the 1m was certainly faster, yeah the later N54 'lower' models had similar power (and easier to tune being a regular MSD81 lol)... but the suspension, LSD, brakes, wide body/wheels/tires... |
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05-06-2013, 04:34 PM | #171 |
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Which is exactly why I hope the M2 deviates from the norm of just adding more suspension, brakes and motor. Losing weight would be something that would clearly differentiate the M cars from the M-Sport and keep the simple parts swaps from creating an equal car. It's unlikely to happen, but since we still don't know why the M3/M4 have different chassis codes than the F3x cars, there's hope that someone at BMW has thought of this too.
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05-07-2013, 08:09 AM | #172 | |
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There's a 1987 1911 Carrera 3.2 around the corner from me with a $16k asking price. I'm seriously considering showing up with $14k cash and making that my next car. No power steering, around 2800 lbs, naturally aspirated, and fully engaging to drive. No, it's nowhere near as fast as an M2 will be, but the pure driving experience can't be matched by any modern production car that costs less than $100k. They're all numb and isolated by comparison. I wonder how many people longing for an E30 wouldn't be better off finding an aging 911 to put in the garage. We have a very well optioned X3 for day-to-day stuff. The M2 would only be for the joy of driving. I'd just go and buy an E30 M3 if they weren't so hard to find (and expensive). That 911 3.2 is looking really attractive.
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Numerous tests have the WRX bring a good bit quicker than the STI in a straight line, especially under 100.
You seem to be confusing yourself by wanting to argue straight line and track performance alternatively. |
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05-07-2013, 09:10 AM | #174 | |
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Bmw has only manufacturer which prefer Inline six and I think they should be keep it that way. Bmw is also manufacturer which keep things "old school", M2 will got Lsd, rwd, over 300bhp, manual gearbox and hopefully L6 engine, what Audi or Merc offers? fwd based awd and turbocharged I4 engine which is located in front of the front axle and only choose to get car is flappy paddle gearbox. |
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05-07-2013, 10:21 AM | #175 | |
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It also doesn't support your broader argument, because it's not really a compromise. Nobody cares about performance at *exactly* 60 MPH. Ok, so some people do, but those people are idiots Even when you're talking about "straight-line" performance, the STi dominates the WRX in the quarter-mile. It's really hard to find a top-tier performance car that makes any compromises to a lower-tier car of the same model. I don't believe BMW would be successful in making that a reality for the M2. You might be willing to accept compromises, but the general buying public are not, or at least there are no good examples of a case where they have shown that they are.
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