01-26-2015, 07:51 AM | #133 |
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I can definitely see the appeal of the m235i, but I was looking at and drove both and I simply preferred the 228i overall. The pros of the 228i for me was that it was lighter, nimbler, better MPG, and below invoice deal from the dealer. I obviously can't deny that the m235i is a rocket like a bat out of hell, but I mean I'm not even pushing my 228i to the limit. Maybe I just drive too slow compared to everyone else here lol. Nonetheless, I have no regrets with my 228i .
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Actually, that's one friend sitting on the hood. The beauty of mid-engine design is the handling benefit of the weight in the center of the vehicle. Adding 205 lbs. over the front wheels is a different matter.
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01-26-2015, 10:04 AM | #137 |
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01-26-2015, 10:38 AM | #140 |
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Both are advertised as having 50/50 weight distribution. Pretty sure the engine is mount behind the front axle. I know what youre saying but the guy above said he noticed the "heft" in sub 20 mph corners? Pretty sure that would be steering feel he is noticing.
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01-26-2015, 10:56 AM | #141 |
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I don't doubt for a minute that the 228 (with track package) is the better handling car with the weight savings. But the 235 engine note is just so sweet, and the extra power will do nothing but bring a smile to your face as the gas mileage penalty is not severe.
Reminds me of my MB SLK55. The SLK350 is noticeably better handling because the '55 is so nose heavy...but oh man the acceleration...but then there was the gas guzzler tax :-) |
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01-26-2015, 11:07 AM | #142 |
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I felt it too. I have driven both side by side including twice side by side in auto cross type course and it's noticeable. Same thing with new mustang gt and 4 cyl mustang. The steering "feel" can change but it has a lot to do with weight. All cars are heavy these days but close to 3600 for 235 is nutty for a small 4 seater. It handles it's weight well but I don't like the feel. Also they are not 50-50 and you can see that they are slightly off and 228 closer depending on transmission and options.
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Yes, it's great to have choices! I do not care about exhaust sound. I'm listening to Real Jazz on Sirius.
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You think you're good at telling people what they experience, but people experiences are theirs and theirs alone. Learn from them, or don't Don't care. Also if they are both Sports (which they were), then likely they have the same springs and spring rates, shocks etc. Both were also riding on 18's but the M235 had the advantage of Michelin PPS which should also provide better feel in the corners. If you have some pertinent information to provide, then please do. But don't base you posts on your perceptions of other people's input. It's rather juvenile. Last edited by pazzo; 01-26-2015 at 05:14 PM.. |
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01-26-2015, 05:35 PM | #147 | |
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Is that like passing gas? So you were wrong on the specs because you didn't drive them, or you were too lazy to look them up. eh.
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01-26-2015, 06:03 PM | #148 |
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You mean that, in YOUR OPINION, the M235 is the best version of the 2 series.
There are other opinions: http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-228i-is-...buy-1662847106[/QUOTE] That's just it. It's subjective and dependent on your situation. In stock form, Msport 228i/M235... If you'll be driving boulevard/straight line driving then yes the M235i is better in a straight line with better acceleration, better sound etc. If you're driving spirited through the hills/mountains on tight twisty roads, 15mph corners and such, the 228i will work just as well, if not better. Get the car that best suits your needs/requirements and be happy that there are mods to improve it further. [/QUOTE] I don't know where anyone gets off saying that a 228 will out corner a 235. Please point me to some factual information I would love to see it. There is always this debate between trim lines whether it be 335/328 550/535 and so on. The fact of the matter is usually you are just getting an upgraded engine and maybe a litle styling tweaks (ie. dual exhaust). The 235 on the other hand, like the previous "is" models comes standard with everything you would want to get the best out of the car. So while all you 228 owners want to qualify the statements of 235 owners, you should be careful. The 235 is a superior car in every way over a standard 228 when speaking objectively. Better brakes, bigger/better engine (engine of the year), PPK package standard, etc. A 228 can be optioned in such a way to be very comprable, but unlike the 235 not all are optioned the same. At this platform I feel like it is much safer to make judgment about these cars than at higher platforms. For example the price difference, even similiarly optioned, are usually higher as the you go up the lineup. This means it is usually about the money at the top of the line. In the case of the 2, if you care even slightly to option a 228 with the adaptive m suspension, brakes, etc. you are coming very close to a 235. So if you are saying that you would look me in the eye and say for 3k more you prefer the 228, I just don't believe you. Except you VO guys who just needed that orange, that makes sense.
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My understanding is that all the 28 lovers think that the 200lb difference in engines despite the enormous difference in output makes the 28 a better car. Thats not how I value cars.
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Let's visit webster dictionary, shall we.
sub·jec·tive adjective \(ˌ)səb-ˈjek-tiv\ philosophy : relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind That could be construed as to mean an opinion. All things being what they are, a better car could mean a number of things to different people. Kinda sad that needs to be explained. Like teaching middle schoolers.
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01-26-2015, 06:12 PM | #151 |
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Spent 30 mins driving m235 last Friday. If you google BMW 235 weight distribution you will see the first 3 say it's 50/50 so I didn't go any further. I'm truly sorry. I don't happen to like the sound of a 4 cyl. I never said one car was better than the other just found it interesting that under 20 mph you guys can feel 205 lbs. Didnt say you couldn't . That just surprised me . Same tires? Same steering?
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So when you have restricted HP, what do race teams do to improve handling and speed? Reduce weight.
You believe a website that claim a 50/50 weight distro, over the BMW web site? But when it comes to break-in you're all about not loading the engine? Ok, just so I know where you're coming from.
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