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I agree with your statement though; to the extent that it's not the m2's problem it doesn't have a home, it's the M235i's fault. BMW made the existing M235i too good to be able to fit an M2 comfortably between the m235i and the M3/4. Quote:
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I'm happy because in 3 years I'd have so many good used cars to choose from. m235i, m240i, m2, F80, F82, oh stop it BMW!
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The writing was on the wall that the B58 M240 was coming. I knew this when I ordered my M235 6MT back in December. I knew the B58 would be more powerful and "better". My biggest concern though was the fact that the B58 is largely an entirely new motor (the block is designed for both gasoline and diesel duty). I've never owned a BMW and what always kept me away were the expensive BMW horror stories, especially with the N54 motors. I was going to buy my M235 rather than lease and I keep my cars 4 to 6 years so I wanted some comfort that the thing would be somewhat reliable. The 2 series had the least amount of tech of the BMW models, was the right size, and the N55 had been around for quite a while and had the bugs worked out. The N55 in the M235 is more beefy as well (forged crank and rods) compared to the standard N55. The N55 is far more simple from a turbo plumbing standpoint than the N54 and parts overall are cheaper to buy. For example, the piezo-based fuel injectors on the N54 will set you back $220-300 vs the $40-50 for the N55 solenoid injectors.
Now the B58 comes out and it's quite technologically advanced, but as a BMW virgin, I was a bit spooked by considering BMW's (and most any automakers) luck with new motors. The B58 has a bunch of new stuff that scares me a bit since it's an entirely new motor and it almost feels like the N54 all over again meaning, awesome power and potential but lots of complexity. B58 highlights/concerns: 1) No more air to air intercooler. The B58 uses air to liquid intercooling and the unit is attached to the side of the motor and is incorporated into the intake manifold. This system uses a completely separate cooling system and mechanically driven coolant pump. Most anyone who's owned a BMW knows their history with cooling system components as they age. 2) No more mechanical thermostat. It's now an electrically driven device. See concern above. 3) The oil filter is buried deep on the side of the motor and not easily accessible. Not ideal for the DIYer like myself. 4) The turbo has it's own special cooling system. See bullet 1. 5) Rear mounted timing chain. Yikes! BMW's history with rear mounted timing chains isn't stellar. Take a look at the Audi and BMW forums about the horror stories of trying to fix busted rear mounted timing chains and/or tensioners. Hint: motors come out. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bad mounting the B58 at all, I just have my concerns about the unknown long-term reliability of this new motor that's only been out for a year. Most guys lease so they're probably aren't worried. As for the power, with turbo cars, does it really matter the stock power levels given how cheap it is to add power and exceed 400whp/twq in an N54, N55, and B58? These cars are already traction limited to some extent. If you must, add a $300-500 piggyback to your M235 and you're ahead of the M240 by a bit. |
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05-17-2016, 01:33 PM | #142 |
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People think I'm a fanboy since I say that the M2 is the perfect car for me, so be it. Never once have I said it's a better car than others, that's in your head because I praise my car alot. Big deal. You were the one who brought up 'spanking' the M2, then called me aggressive and defensive when I said you were factually wrong, so maybe we should just resort to calling everyone a fanboy. Lol
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I only brought up what I quoted. What I quoted was the person saying why he was in for an m2, not every aspect of why the M2 is better/different than a non-M 2er.
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05-17-2016, 01:37 PM | #144 |
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To summarize any of his posts, read as follows, "M2 is the best car BMW has ever produced. It is made of diamonds and the seats are made of gold. All other cars are inferior for reasons XXX, M2 is superior because XXX. M2 is Jesus returned to Earth as a vehicle."
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You also are way too uptight and defensive for an internet forum and I think you need to relax a little. |
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05-17-2016, 01:39 PM | #146 |
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The 340 gets a pretty decent jump. It might not look like much visually, but that pretty much accounted for the distance ahead (which isn't as significant as you think considering the camera lens effect).
BMS is still working out the bugs with their B58 tunes. Last I read, many owners were reporting a bit more lag, lower 8AT shift rpms (Kind of odd. Torque management function perhaps?), random error codes, and some hesitation in the upper rpms. I'm sure BMS will get it figured out though. |
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Forget the M2 vs 240 debate, FOR ME the 228 xDrive in the winter would be a better car than the M2 which I would have to leave at the bottom of my hill and walk home. |
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Progress is good. Just get whatever you like based on the options available.
Honestly not really getting this M2 versus M240i debate. Drive both, make value decision, be happy. |
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M2 is harder to currently obtain than the M3/4. M4 is already easy to obtain. No reason to make a 4 series that is above the competition that is close to the M4, since the M4 is easy to currently obtain. There is less of a situation where people who want an M4 will leave because there isa 2 year wait and nothing exists right below it that BMW offers that outperforms the competition. Therefore the M240i is possibly being used to prevent people from leaving the brand due to a wait list on the M2, while still performing as well or better than the outside competition. For instance, if the M3/4 was very hard to obtain and BMW did not plan to produce as many right now, then people on the list might go to other brands if there isn't another model right below it that is very compelling. But the M3/4 isn't in that situation, hence why I think the near M4 level car does not exist for the F80/2. That more clear?
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This is straight up in your head, bud. I've never said anything like that. You're interpreting what I say at like X10000 times the amplitude. Chill out. In fact, show me one post where I claim it to be the best car BMW has ever made, or better than the M3/4 as a full car, and I'll venmo you 20 bucks. Prove it! Lol
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I don't get this logic. So you're saying that instead of BMW finding a way to produce more M2's they decided to fill this void (which BTW was created by them in the first place) by stepping on the M2's toes with the M240i? Everyone was initially wondering why the current M235i was still even being offered when the M2 came out, now with the M240i matching performance in acceleration that should make you ask "why" even more. |
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Which is fine, it was just an idea I had, and it's all conjecture. I think it's because BMW might want a car that outperforms the competition that is readily available. As to why they don't increase M2 production, I don't know, maybe to prevent it from carving into M3/4 sales? Really, it was just an idea, I don't believe it to a great level myself, haha
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