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I don't know why I'm wading into this stupid discussion, but just to try to interject a modicum of logic in here, the E46 M3 was indeed $49k base in 2006, but that's still $57.4k in today's money, using a conservative 2% inflation rate. Use 3%, which is closer to what the EU has seen, and it would be $62k. Further, we won't see the M2 until at the earliest, next year, so you should account for another year or two of inflation for that too.
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When I ask where you got your info from, I was talking about the m235i going to be replaced with a 4 cylinder 235tii (thats what you told me) and you seem to have a source on the low M2 pricing. Anyways, if you believe the M2 will price under $50k then thats fine...its just hard to believe by many of us here on this board
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The M235i is already a replacement of the e46 m3. The M2 is a level above and my guess it'll be at least in the mid $50k+
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03-26-2014, 12:15 PM | #137 |
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Assuming the M235 does go 4-cyl (not opining on that argument) you guys think the 6 will command a premium in the preowned market? Thinking about when Audi went from NA 8 to turbo 6 in the S5.
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03-26-2014, 06:46 PM | #139 |
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Frankly, the original cost of *anything* from 2008 is not pertinent…inflation or otherwise.
It's market baby…supply and demand. If Subaru gets a nicer, more civilized approach on their WRX and removes that piano bench from the trunk, they could upend this entire segment with a much lower price. Just read an article (Car and Driver?) that said the "base" price of the m4 was going to be about $65k. Doing a little deductive reasoning here…. It seems to me that BMW likes to stagger the tiers/prices of their cars such that if you fully load a model, it rises over the base cost of the next higher model. (see 328 vs 335). Try this out on the their website and see. This is intended to get folks to notice how close they are to a slightly superior car and just bite the bullet, and move up a notch. I think M cars are put (intentionally) a bit further out of reach from their non-M brethren (Fully twisted 335i is around $61k, base m4 is supposed to start around $65k). It also seems to me that if you max out the options on many models, it can add about 20-30% to the base cost. Example: M235i base: $43.1k, Loaded: $53.5, (~20%). Base vs. loaded 335i is about 30%. That said, in order for an M2 to be slightly over the max of an M235i (cuz it's an M) and yet still have plenty of option room before it kisses against the base of an M3/4, I would guess that it will start with a base near $55k and option up over $65k. Any takers? |
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Using your logic, with the M3 at $62k base, a fully loaded M2 would be no higher than $61k. Subtract the $10k in upgrades, that gives you $51k. It makes sense if you look at it from a marketing standpoint which is the number 1 thing that people here are overlooking. These numbers would target every market: 228i - $32k-$42k 235i - $41k-$51k M2 - $51k-$61k M3/4 - $63-$80K M5 - +$92K M235i is a car that is between the potential 235i (135i) and M2. |
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I'm genuinely curious as that doesn't make any sense to me. I've not heard or read that the M235i will be discontinued and replaced with a higher HP 4 cyl. The 228i is a 4cyl. The base price difference between a 228i and 235i is mostly the engine and added standard equipment. If BMW drops the M235i only to replace it with a 235i with a 4cyl, who then buys the greatly more expensive 4 cylinder 235i over the 228i? With the 1 series there was the 128i and 135i, then came the 1M. BMW didn't drop the 135i just because of the 1M. I now digress a bit. An M car is not a replacement for a fully loaded non M car. It's a different niche, different automobile, and the price goes up accordingly. Who actually x-shops a loaded 3 series or an M3? No one. You either want all the tech and lux options on the 3 series, or you're an M buyer who buys it for the performance. The 2 models are not related in that regard. Just because a base M might be within reach of the price for a fully loaded non M doesn't then mean a person simply decides to "move up" to the M. A base M is a base car. It doesn't come with all of the gee-whiz and gotta-have options. Those lux and tech options are still offered for the person who has to have all the performance AND the options. And to get that the price moves up even more. For the gotta-have-it fully loaded buyer the fully loaded M is not even close in price to the fully loaded non M. Those price points are vastly different, just as those cars are vastly different. Getting an M is not the next bigger option to add to the non M. BMW should not have named this car M235i. It should have been a 235i, and then add in the Msport options if you like. Putting the "M" in the front of 235i is just marketing. It's not a M car, not even close. It's a 235i with an M sport package just like my 335i Msport. I have no delusions or expectations that I'm driving anything close to an M3, because it simply isn't. BMW's current "M" marketing may be causing confusion at best, and at worst, for the uninitiated buyer, it may dilute what an M car really is. It's not just an optional "M" package. |
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As far as I am aware, the M division did not touch the standard models. But I do think less badges and 235is would have been more appropriate
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