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11-21-2014, 06:40 PM | #133 | |
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b) This: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...hots-and-video |
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11-21-2014, 07:00 PM | #134 | |
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Perfect, another words IF they had nicely designed cars, they'd have even higher numbers.
Maybe join the Honda Accord Sub Forums, or go drive the M235i and forget about it. AND, the joke is, not even 1 NSX per each North American Acura dealer !! Quote:
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Hmmmm…less sporty sells more cars. :-) Quote:
I'm not qualified to tell Honda how to redesign one of the best sellers of all time. Nor to tell BMW that they're award-winning M235i shouldn't have an M on it. So the joke is it's going to be a very limited run…just like the 1 series M was? |
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11-21-2014, 10:39 PM | #138 |
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A feather in their hat! Picking up my AW M235 TODAY at the welt!ive been driving a 2011 m3 for The last 4 years and couldn't be happier with my choice for its replacement.the new M3 just didn't do it for me at the price,size and loss of the V8.the m235 reminds me a lot of my 95 e36 m3 it just fits right.
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11-22-2014, 02:19 AM | #140 | |
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Worse, they've advertised it like anybody can buy it....
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11-22-2014, 06:20 AM | #141 | |
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So since the current 3-series is actually a 7-series, we need to rename the others. The F10 is the 9-series, so we actually have a 928i/935i/950i/M9; the F01 is the 11-series, so we have an 1140i/1150i/1160i/B11 on the market. I shall henceforth refer to the current "5" and "7" series cars as 9 and 11 series models. I guess this makes the F20/21/22 the new 5-series bracket. Hence the M235i is really an M535i (cool, haven't had one of those since 1981) but it would need four doors, so actually the F20 current M135i has to be called the M535i. Therefore, the conclusion is...BMW doesn't make a 3-series anymore. When they do again, it will be called a 0: 028i/035i/M035i/M0. Like elevators in Germany, smaller designs will simply need to use negative numbers. I kind of fancy the idea of a -1M, and I bet a -135i would be a cool car although the thought of a -2M is also appealing.
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Very! I can attest to it I own one and my E90 felt way better with less luxury. Every time were in my wifes 228i M sport I feel more connected and more part of the car. It out handles my 335i by a mile. We love her 228i and it feels every bit as quick as my stock F30 335i. Honestly if I knew it was going to be like this I would have picked up a used E90 M3. Each year my F30 has got more and more boring to me and I want something different. I was going for this soft feel I would have opted for a B8 S4. My friend has one and its not a bad car. Even though its dynamically inferior to my 335i it brings a bit more excitement to the table IMO.
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I'll post essentially the same thing I did in another thread, as it's so appropriate here....
I left BMW for a 987.2 Cayman a couple years ago because I figured the 2 would bring me back and I wasn't excited about a 3 sedan in the meantime. I did sort of a test ED with a 420d 6MT M-sport 'vert back in September. 7 countries, 1450 miles and 6 of the 10 best European roads per http://www.ultimatedrives.net/top-10-roads/index.php (Stelio, Furka, Klausen, Hahntennjoch, Route de Gentelly, Col de la Bonnette). The car was really a great road trip car...6MT and a diesel, about 184hp, 146mph on the Autobahn, and near 50mpg when not pushing it. However, I went onto bmw.de to spec the thing out...65000 EUROS!!! I can totally see owning a car like this...if my entire life revolved around driving country roads through Europe on an endless budget, endless vacation (of course, then there would be other vehicle options). In the real world it just didn't deliver for the money. From a practicality standpoint, it's just too big and bulky. From a fun standpoint, it's slow (which, admittedly, can be remedied with a different engine choice) and soft (which cannot). It's super luxurious, comfortable and attractive...but again, life is not an endless grand tour. When I got home, I got lucky and the local dealer had a 228i M-sport, track package, 6MT that was ordered but the buyer walked. I thought this would be my chance to drive my next car...my ED, 10 country, Nurburgring, Monaco Grand Prix, Normandy Beach, Versailles, etc., bucket list car. Then I drove it. It was quick - I got one insanely good launch, it was tighter than the 4, and all around a great car. It certainly felt much better than the 2015 GTI I drove. But it just didn't feel like the BMWs that made me love BMW. It felt soft. I didn't use sport+, just sport, but it felt soft. Now, I can see how coming from a Porsche the BMWs should feel less tight, but they don't feel like they used to. This puts me in a real conundrum...I don't want to keep putting 15k miles a year on the Cayman and I really want to get a little better mileage, but I really don't know where to go...my go-to brand isn't so go-to anymore.
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I used to have a cayman as well.. it drives more like an E36 than anything else out there (actually like a better version of an E36 M3) I feel like I want to test drive a new CTS, just out of curiosity. |
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Yes I have. If they need to call it a 2 series gran coupe to bring out an e36/e46 sized m sedan again.... Then fine by me... Just start making them!
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11-23-2014, 10:08 AM | #149 |
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A used 128i has definitely been on my mind. However, I really do want a car that gets better mileage. It's not that I can't afford to pay for the fuel, I just don't want to anymore. I'd love a 3-door 1 series hatch with a 200hp 3 cylinder turbo, RWD and a proper 6MT. If it did all that and were diesel too, I'd be over the moon!
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Everyone knows the F30 needs the m sport, DHP, and m performance suspension to drive as well (not as well) as its decade old predecessor and some of the competition! You spent $4000 for driving improvements. Psh! Stop being so cheap and spend another $3500 for the M performance suspension! This is BMW being brilliant, not ripping you off. Oh so that won't fix the steering so I bet youll complain about that. So Ill save you the time (not $7500) and tell you to stop your whining. Sales are up! Never mind that BMW was able to improve the 3's luxury, space, comfort, etc. for over two decades while still making it fun to drive while being the category's sales leader and making record profits. This HAD to happen! Competitors like the ATS, S4, IS are all squishy and less fun to drive now too, right? Right?!?! Sales are up! Oh and stop your whining. I also have a hash tag for you: #stopyourwhiningandbuyanm235ialready
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It does seem there should be a member of this class in the list. The C class did get an upgrade and did beat the 3 series in some reviews: http://www.caradvice.com.au/305077/l...s-v-volvo-s60/ One of the quotes from a Top Gear article says it best: "The world is getting a bit complicated these days. BMW is trying to be Mercedes and Mercedes is trying to be BMW. And when we say that, we mean BMW is going a bit softer and more inclined towards comfort, while Mercedes is focusing on giving you more pleasure while you’re behind the wheel." My only thought to why one of these wasn't featured could be due to the lack of a "standout" winner. Perhaps the C & 3 are so close now that C&D felt it was blurry and that there wasn't a clear cut winner in the group. Or perhaps they're just bored with that segment in general. |
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This list should be taken with a pinch of salt seeing as car and driver is an American magazine, and 4 out of the 10 cars are American!!
Motoring journalists from anywhere else in the world would have no American cars in the top 10, or 20, or probably even 50! I'm not bashing America, they do many things very well, but making cars is not one of them! |
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First, Car and Driver is only choosing among cars sold in the U.S. This is definitely not the same selection of cars available to Europeans. Second, C/D is an American magazine, and it's readership is primarily American. While the magazine caters to enthusiasts, American enthusiasts must still drive on poorly maintained American roads, which means ride quality is an important criteria for anyone who isn't a masochist. More Americans live out in the middle of nowhere or in suburbs, and even the cities tend to be less dense than in Europe. This means, among cars, the midsize sedan is king. Americans have a unique history with the automobile, which means there's a certain romanticism surrounding cars like the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. The Corvette is also a source of national pride, as it's one of the only American cars that has managed to not suck since 1984 (and recent generations are actually quite stellar). So, the list couldn't possibly look like the list of motoring journalists elsewhere in the world, but that doesn't mean it should be taken with a grain of salt. I'm not saying C/D makes the right call on every car every year, but this list seems entirely legit to me given the cars that were eligible and their intended market.
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