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Allow me to wade in on this...
I've recently done fairly exhaustive test-drives of both the 228i and the m235i. I don't currently own either car, and I haven't ordered either one (yet). In the large scheme of things, the two cars are fairly close. I doubt that overwhelming number of buyers will notice subtle differences in handling, suspension or weight distribution. The one blindingly obvious difference that even the most unsophisticated driver will notice, however, is the engine. Do the m235i's two extra cylinders make a difference? Yes, they do. It's the difference between adequate (228i) or wow (m235i). Anyone who denies that difference is lacking in either (1) truthfulness; or (2) a pulse. But, as they say, different strokes for difference folks. I can totally get why someone would opt for the 228i. It weighs less. Fuel economy is better. You're probably less likely to get speeding tickets. It costs less. Let's face it, though. A loaded-up 228i off the dealer lot and a bare-bones ED m235i can be had for the roughly the same money, let's say $39K. If I were choosing between the two, I'd take the latter. |
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01-25-2015, 12:53 PM | #114 |
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I played around with the configurator yesterday and was pretty surprised to see that the 228 is only $3455 less than a base m235i.
Add these options to a 228 (which come standard on the 235): M Sport Package Lighting Package Moonroof Powerseats with memory =$39,645 And the base msrp of a 235i is 43,100. In this perspective, it's really hard to spec out a 228 and justify it. |
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01-25-2015, 03:40 PM | #119 |
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Hey guys - I think it's a given that what I'm saying is my opinion.
How about we all take our gear sticks out of our asses and not get so butt hurt when someone offers their thoughts on a message board about BMW's? |
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"My point is the M235 is the best version of the 2 series. That's all." But you didn't make any point. You stated an opinion, but you state it as if it were fact. Hence you got called out on it. If you're going to assert things in that style, expect people to respond in kind. |
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I'm pretty sure BMW probably considers the M235i to be the best version of the 2 series. It's the top-of-the-line version of the car. That doesn't mean the 228i is a piece of shit. It's a great car. But it's not an M235i. It's just not. If the 228 were the better car, it would cost more, etc. a great value? Absolutely! Fun as hell? Absolutely! But better than an M235i? Probably not. And BTW - of COURSE Jalopnik is going to write an article calling the 228 the "best" 2 series. There are a million articles about how AMAZING the M235i is (including Car and Driver's "10 Best" list). Jalopnik needs people to click on their site and read their articles so they can sell advertising. Their article is just click bait. A way to be a differentiator. Clever marketing. And BTW - I haven't seen a single M235 driver say "Geeze ... I sure wish I'd gotten the 228 instead ... Doh!" But I bet you there are a LOT of 228 drivers (probably some replying to this thread) who wish they had the M235i. So yes - IN MY OPINION (and in the opinion of probably the majority of people out there) the M235i is the superior version of the 2 series. |
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I sense that you may more highly value and agree with the objectives set for the higher performance vehicle. However, those simply make for a different product, not a "better" one. |
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01-25-2015, 04:27 PM | #124 | |
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Those that say the 236 is the best Bmw out there are correct but it's partially because the other ones have gone down. The 3 series is blah now. So as long as a good car is solely judged on acceleration the 235 wins in the other hand the 228 is not slow and rewards with nimbler feel and once warmed up I love the sound of the waste gates blowing and somewhat cruder sound. Both are still the best bmws offered today but there are those that appreciate subtleties. Your point is like saying soccer is lame because there are few goals. Americans would agree with you it The other 5 billion that appreciate what happens between the goals would disagree with you also. |
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01-25-2015, 04:34 PM | #126 |
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I think we can all agree that they are both amazing cars.
Again - having driven a 128 for 4 years, and absolutely loving it - you can't go wrong with either. But I am head-over-heels in love with my M235i in a way which I was never in love with the 1. |
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01-25-2015, 05:51 PM | #127 | |
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thats only if you spec them the same. personally i'd get the normal sport, to get a different color, and i hate moonroofs and have no real use for power seats in a coupe. significant difference in price. you can't remove any of that stuff from a m235i. i agree if you are equipping them exactly the same you might as well get the m235i if you do say just lighting and sport, its only 35100 vs 43100. quite a difference. plus you can get a car in orange or something. yes the n55 feels a little smoother from my experience, but the n20 is terrible and is more than fast (plus you get a little better weight balance). i don't think either car is bad at all they are easily the 2 best cars bmw makes these days for a driver. honestly if bmw would let us build a 235i without all the extra parts (so like a 235i sport line, with the 320hp n55 if somehow the engine upgrade was $3500 like identical cars would be) i would guess a lot of people would take that.... given there are barely any m235s on the lot as it is, they might as well just let people order 235s any way we want. |
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01-25-2015, 08:41 PM | #128 |
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I test drove both as well. Both are great, but I think if I had to pick one today I'd either go with the 228i or wait for the M2. I just felt like the 228 does the lightweight, balanced coupe thing well. If I got an M235i, I'd just be disappointed I didn't wait for the M2 with its standard limited slip diff and who knows what other tweaks. I'd feel satisfied with the 228i because the delta between it and the M2 would be greater. I know, this probably doesn't make a lot of sense, but I've always been a fan of base BMW's and M cars, but never the models in between. I'm probably a very small minority in that sense.
We're splitting hairs though, because I think these are both the best cars BMW makes today (despite being some of the most affordable too). |
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I absolutely love my 228 and have no regrets at all about it not being a 235. None. It's super fast, faster than most people will ever use. I don't track my cars so there is zero chance I will ever push the car to its limits, despite the fact that I drive it pretty aggressively. I had a 2009 335i with twin turbos (not dual scroll) and it was a rocket, but that car had nothing on the 228. The 228 is more fun than the 335 was, just as fast, much more nimble, better in turns, and more planted. If I had ordered a 235 I would have spent the next three years regretting that it wasn't orange. The unavailability of VO in the 235 was a deal breaker for me and I frankly never strongly considered it. I priced them both, but it kept coming down to the question of, "do I want a car that's got even more power that I will never use and that's a color that I'm not happy with?" Every time I walk up to my VO car I have a huge smile on my face, especially now that it's (apprearance) modded exactly as I want it. Finally, as for price difference, you can't compare MSRP to MSRP. There are better deals to be had on the 228 than the 235, especially on the West Coast and especially in SoCal. 235's were being sold at MSRP when I ordered my 228 (that, according to a very highly respected CA sponsor on Bimmerfest). I didn't get a 228 to save money because I optioned my 228 with premium, lighting and track handling package which gives it everything a 235 has except the 6 cyl and the M steering wheel. The MSRP on my car was just $2,300 less than an unoptioned 235 so it wasn't about saving money for me. The 228 gave me everything I wanted, including VO, and way more than I needed. So, FOR ME, the 228 was the better choice (notice I didn't say the better car).
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I was in a similar situation, and ultimately chose to go for the m235.
I'm coming from an f30 328 with the n20 engine. I love it, it has more power than I need, it's pretty good on gas mileage, and hasn't had any problems so far. I went with the m235 because I wanted a different engine. Although I'm happy with the n20, if I'm getting a new car I want it to feel like a different car than what I had before, and I was afraid that by getting the 228 It would be too similar to what I'm already driving. One thing I don't like about the n20 is the noise, even my wife noticed, she didn't like the sound of the engine too much she said it sounded like a truck. So I figured if we're getting a different car, then let's do it all the way. Also the way I optioned both the 228 and 235 the price difference wasn't too much. |
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