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The reason why everyone is so loudly against this abomination is because this car will also give BMW the means to further reduce the range of models appealing to the enthusiasts. When 5GT came, BMW took away 5 series Touring. When 3GT and X1 came, BMW took away the RWD and/or manual 3 series Touring. When this thing comes, BMW will again find something good to take away. BTW, ladies and gentlemen, have you seen the new C-classe? That's one really good looking car. |
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No one wanted the E61 and E91. And there is not much interest in the F31 in the USA also. The 5er GT sold three years worth of E61 in one year.
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I don't think this destroys BMWs brand. To me it's the extension of the brand into a new segment just like the X cars, the Z cars and the i cars. I think that's great. I would have given it a new acronym like C (for city car or crossover). this could have been the BMW C2.
However I do think by naming it 225i it damages the 2 series sub-brand. @scott26 perhaps you can articulate for us in one sentence what the 2 series sub-brand now stands for.
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You are joking, n'est pas?
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12-16-2013, 05:10 PM | #96 | |
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When I get into a BMW, I expect it to be rear wheel drive, steer well, and most of all, be a fun car to drive. Regardless of size, series, whatever, I expect Excellent driving dynamics, "the ultimate driving machine" and all that. Does this minivan tick any of those boxes? Does it fit into what an average person would think to expect from BMW ? My guess would be no. And the time and energy spent on stuff like this could have been applied in a manner consistent with your core company values to accomplish the same goal, which just don't seem present here. Whatever sales they get from models like this just won't seem worth it, at least in my opinion. We shall see...maybe they will slap some faux wood grain on the sides and it will sell like hot cakes...
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I like the design, and given some of their competition in the small crossover/suv market, it's a reasonable development to pursue. Mazda may come over to the US with a diesel CX-5. The CX-5 gets good reviews for handling and driver feedback, in fact the reviews are very un crossover like. With the coming GLA from Mercedes (A CLA based crossover/SUV), they should pursue it. FWD cars can be fun to drive, I know I had one, a Mini. BMW, please, drop the N47 in it and I'm sold. I want a small crossover/SUV in diesel for my wife. As far as the number. Get over it. A number doesn't dilute your car. If you have a 235, it's still a bad ass car, regarless of what number someone puts on another car. |
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Bet y'all didn't know that eh?
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So, please tell me again, which year was that, when 5GT was selling at 3x E61 rate? (Desperately need a Willie Wonka GIF here.) Oh, and by the way, the customers, who couldn't buy F11, didn't go to F07. They went to E-classe and A6 instead. F07 just took sales from F01/02. Even BMW execs acknowledge the mistake. Look around - no one's drinking that 2009 kool-aid anymore. As for F31, in less than a year of production BMW has made more than 3000 of them for the NA market. Do your BMW NA bosses consider this to be a sales failure these days? |
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12-16-2013, 06:09 PM | #101 | |
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Who wants a job with the company that has that black Cayenne camera vehicle. They see every new BMW, Merc etc months or years before their release in the US, filming around canyon roads outside LA and downtown LA.
Most recently seen filming: W205 C-class F80 M3 Active tourer All donning euro plates, why? Why not film in Europe for the release pics?
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Although this car clearly is a can that reminds me of a Mazda 5 I understand the diversification of the line up. When you need to survive against VW group and their insane amount of high quality subsidiaries and offerings, something needs to be expanded. If BMW just made 5 cars they would be at risk of merger or acquisition by VW or another large conglomerate. They may not be able to produce the capital to compete. Not sure if this is the way they should expand market offerings under the same brand name though. And I do agree this car makes no sense with the naming conventions.
Mercedes is doing similar stuff thou. I mean they have the cla, and they make actual vans and sell 200k + s-classes so I think there may be a method to the madness. One could argue that bmw has a more relevant enthusiast base as we can see with this board. But that is just my guess I'm sure MB has a good cult following as well. Wow, I need to study for this final now. Cheers.
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I understand, on a fundamental level, what it is that they're doing. I just think it's dumb. Let's have a beer and remember the good old days when BMW minivans didn't exist.
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Maybe if you put 183828282 ///M badges on it, it won't look like such a effing piece of dog shit. Well maybe not.
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Why are BMW fucking up the model line up after massive cleaning? Where is the logic??? 1-series: FWD models, 3-doors, 5-doors 2-series: Coupe, Cabriolet, Gran Coupe, and now FWD Active Tourer?!? That make no sense in this category. 3-series: Sedan, Touring, Gran Turismo 4-series: Coupe, Cabriolet, Gran Coupe 5-series: Sedan, Touring, Gran Turismo 6-series: Coupe, Cabriolet, Gran Coupe 7-series: Sedan 8-series: Coupe, Gran Coupe (feature)
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