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We've already known for some time what the B58 puts down to the wheels due to the 340i. We've also known for some time what the N55B30T0 puts down for the M2. Guess what? They are about the same for peak HP. That is, they are both around 330-335whp. So there should not be any surprise with what these street races are showing.
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I clicked the 2nd video only to see how long it would be...
23 mins : : : Interesting comments in this thread nonetheless! |
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My gut feeling though is there is a new motor that will replace this current engine for the standard model. |
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09-04-2016, 10:36 AM | #76 |
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The M2 may be more engaging when driven hard, but how often do you drive hard? It's fun to post about all sorts of stuff, but most of us never go to the track. We spend our time driving over poorly maintained roads. I want a car with a track tuned suspension for real world driving. If one can afford to keep it as a track toy, there are other cars that are even better track toys. The M2 is 3" wider making it a very wide car for one with a smallish interior. For those of us who drive automatics because we get stuck in traffic a lot, I can tell you the 8 speed is a great one. It shifts nearly as fast as a DCT and without all the weirdness of a DCT. Is an M240i my next ride, perhaps. It's roughly the same price as a loaded Camaro 2SS which has an insane Corvette V8 so I wonder...
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Coming from a 3-series Msport, the M235i's default steering feels too loose, and its impossible to change it without also going to sport mode. The M235i's 18" wheels need to be wider. Even though the car is a little lighter, the suspension setup, even in sport mode, is not as good as the 3-series - feels like the center of gravity is actually higher in the M235i which is a bad thing. The one thing I don't like about the auto transmissions is the useless way the car keeps the RPMs high after applying throttle. When throttle is completely let off after hard acceleration, the car should upshift at least after a second. I realize this can be overcome with paddles, but BMW really should do something about how long it sticks the engine in high RPM - it's comical and obnoxious. |
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09-04-2016, 11:27 AM | #78 | |
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One sits higher in the 2er (and 1er) which gives the feeling of a higher cg.
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As far as the tranny goes, if you want an auto I agree that the ZF 8AT is an incredible transmission. I test drove many car models before buying my M235 8AT, the only transmissions that performed as well as the ZF were the DCT/DSG type transmissions, none of the other slush box autos came close. The Mercedes, Audi and Lexus just felt sloppy . Many of the dual clutch boxes had issues like not engaging smoothly from a start and getting confused at inopportune times. I drove an S3 with DSG that jerked me around so much I thought it had something wrong with it. The projected maintenance costs later in the life cycle did not favor the dual clutch type either. I'd definitely buy a car with a good DCT, but I don't think the ZF8 leaves much on the table. They also highly praised the ZF8 in the video. If you spend all day at the track, sure DCT in manual mode is great but for everyday traffic driving it is hard to beat the Sport ZF8. |
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Hmmmm, steering feels loose? Get your dealer to check it out. Sounds like something wrong with your 2er..
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Seems like with equal transmissions the M240i is probably faster in a straight line if it already isn't in some cases. That B58 is such a beast; should have put a tuned version in the M2.
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The M235 has issues with the front end. I took mine in for knocking in the front end. They claimed it was a "design" characteristic. The funny thing is that when got it back they said that nothing had been fixed, but the knocking was gone. He said that a lot of M235s have been brought in for suspension noise.
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N55 is still the choice for the M2, which is an all out performance machine. I wonder what reasoning or justification they had in doing this? Is it a stronger engine, internals wise? Or just a longer track record for reliability? I'm a bit stumped as to why the 240 gets the B58, and full on M2 sticks with a "tuned" version of the N55... Is it the revs and powerband that BMW was after ?
From what I'm hearing/reading the N55 holds boost to redline, and the B58 is a bit more of a tq happy engine, which can change the overall perception of the whole experience IMO.. |
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That I can agree with. My previous bimmers had hydraulic steering, which did have a bit of a heavier feel - although not quite as sharp.
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