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06-04-2014, 07:49 AM | #67 |
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Not until I know what the M2 will be like (and look like as well). And I'd still not get rid of the E92, only add.
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very nice, M2 is looking like M3/4 performance killer
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C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec Zero to 150 mph: 26.0 sec Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.9 sec Standing �¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 113 mph Top speed (governor limited): 161 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 147 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g Car magazine test results in the US are always optimistic. When comparing vehicles, you use that same magazine and look at their other results. Once you do, you will see the 235i is very impressive compared to other cars they recently tested. 435i 6MT C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec Zero to 100 mph: 12.2 sec Zero to 150 mph: 32.8 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.0 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 7.2 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.9 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 105 mph Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 170 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g S5 6MT C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec Zero to 100 mph: 11.5 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 6.8 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.9 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 107 mph Top speed (limited): 155 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 163 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.95 g CLA45 4Matic C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec Zero to 100 mph: 10.6 sec Zero to 120 mph: 15.9 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec Standing ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 110 mph Top speed (gear limited): 158 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 152 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.94 g Jag F-Type V6 S C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 10.9 sec Zero to 130 mph: 19.8 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.8 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.1 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.1 sec @ 109 mph Top speed (drag limited): 164 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 158 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g X5 Xdrive 5.0 C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec Zero to 100 mph: 10.7 sec Zero to 120 mph: 15.8 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.3 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.6 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.5 sec Standing ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 109 mph Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 172 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g Maserati Ghibli C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.7 sec Zero to 100 mph: 12.0 sec Zero to 130 mph: 21.6 sec Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.5 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 105 mph Top speed (drag ltd): 175 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 155 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g*
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C/D 0-60 times are with a roll out and temperature corrected.
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The problem is that arm chair drag racers love to put C&D performance figures up against other publication's numbers. Obviously you get it, because you went through the trouble of sourcing all your information from C&D. The other posters here are just cautioning against the practice of the former methodology.
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"you’re getting 100 percent of the outgoing M3’s performance for two-thirds the price".
So the M4 should give me 150% percent of the outgoing M3’s performance for the same price then. LOL |
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Wow this makes me want an M235i that much more. Wish i could afford to trade in my 135i
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Here are some videos if you want to have a look http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=21 |
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inwas going to say where did you get that pic? looks great. (pkim)
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If you want to see BMW marketing at work, go find the uninformed buyer who knows just enough to know "M" means "special," and knows just little enough to be persuaded by a BMW salesman into believing that "M235i" means the same thing as "M+single digit." Guarantee you that kind of person is not the same as someone who's at least interested enough to read these forums. We all know this is an intermediate, stop-gap car. We're buying it as such. None of us think this is an M2. It happens to come close to the performance of previous M cars in some areas (as it should, because technology progresses and cars get faster), and that's good enough for us. We're buying it for that reason, not just because it has an "M" in front of it. And when the true M2 comes along, it will blow away the M-Performance cars or whatever you want to call the M235i, as it should. Sorry for the rant. This wasn't solely directed at you; I just find it a little odd that the presence of an M badge is leading to a badge obsession within the BMW community when you should really be worried about its effect outside the community (if you really even want to be worried about it at all). I don't really know what M235i owners are supposed to do, but they can't be expected to have this conversation all day long just to please their M-badge overlords: "What do you drive? An-M235i-where-the-M-doesn't-stand-for-the-same-thing-as-the-M-traditionally-used-to-signify-specially-crafted-race-bred-cars-within-the-BMW-brand." |
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Better tune ? The M235i is 326 hp, the M135i has 320hp and a Xdrvie is really faster on launch than a RWD... look at that video RWD vs AWD M135i.
The fastest M135i Xdrive kill the 0-60 on 4.5s... I think there is a mistake. GreG |
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At the end of the day, anyone familiar with BMW will know Mxxx doesn't mean the same thing as Mx. And everyone, familiar with BMW or not, will recognize that the car is pretty quick. |
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It's also tough to deduce how cars should perform based solely on BMW's factory HP ratings because these are widely known to be underestimated. It's hard to tell from model to model how much BMW underestimates power. That said, I think in a raw, controlled comparison, an M135i Xdrive would probably beat an M235i to 60 mph, but I have absolutely nothing scientific to back that up. |
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AWD cars can win the sprint to 60 with a reasonable power deficit. Most of their advantage is in the 0-30 MPH range though. Look at the numbers for the STi in this comparison against the M235i and the CLA 45 AMG. The STi is down on power and torque, yet it wins to the race to 30 by 0.4s. Ultimately, it loses by a full two-tenths at 60 MPH, but the N55 powered M135i would fare better, as it's power delivery more closely matches the M235i than the boxer in the STi.
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