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Not much but post 22 makes sense given that TS bushes are steel as is chassis pad that spacer face mates upto
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The bushes in the F8x TSes I have appear to be aluminum. They're non-ferritic, anyway...
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Ah ok.
Look forward to your review once TS fitted
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My F8x tension struts are installed! Thanks a bunch to ICTZHP, who was in town and came over to help out, keep me company.
I can really see the difference on wheel placement: much, much better. I will verify alignment sometime soon. My guess is this may have added a little toe, and I want to run zero. The spacers ended up being just a bit too thick, but a metal file made quick work of the issue: I ground off about half a millimeter off one side of each of the 1/2" spacers. Here's a pic of the stock and F8x parts with a bolt holding them in the same place, to better compare lengths. The F8x tension strut is definitely longer.
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Now i did 0.04 for both front tires to be not so aggressive... Let me know how yours are wearing out... |
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The more I look at my car today, the more I think that using the stock tension struts with the F8x LCAs twisted the suspension geometry enough to have lowered the car. I know it's not intuitive, but I swear my ride height has increased with the F8x tension struts. The initial mis-information we got about the length of the tension struts is really a shame. Thanks again, Pparana for saving us!
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As I understand excesive toe in will wear the shoulders while excesive toe out will wear the inside.... So if inside is wearing faster you would want to less toe out or more tow in |
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that makes some sense... maybe I need to read up on alignment have a pointer to good resource for that?
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Be interested to read your initial impressions of LCA + TS v LCA only once you've had sometime behind the wheel and to see BEFORE & AFTER photos to see what you mean about the ride height and wheel's position being more central in the wheel well. Thanks in anticipation !!! BP
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Most cars have toe in, so they track better on roads (straight line stability) Zero toe can tend to follow the crowns of the roads, require lots of corrections and most people do not like it. On a track which should be flat, zero toe is preferred, some people add some toe out but that is a whole other debate. |
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If your running camber plates, max for street tires in the front is prob, 2.3-2.5, street tire carcasses are not supportive enough to take any more and your just giving up contact patch. You should not need toe in on the front tires of rwd cars, you need toe in in the rear, as the drive wheels toe out under acceleration and also slightly by the suspension geometry (bmw). You may want to run a real small amount of toe in on the front if you feel the car is too "darty" for your taste on surface streets. |
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Here is a crude pictogram of the MacPherson strut looking at the side of the car, keep in mind the MacPherson strut doesn't change length when the car is static. Short tension strut. More castor, less vertical height ' / / Long tension strut Less castor, more vertical height | | |
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Not nessacarly you need to look at it in a 3 plane view x,y and z. You could be moving outward. Either way i think just the lca upgrade is not the proper geometry as the tension struts need to ho with them. |
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Has camber and track changed since fitting TS's ? BP
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hard for me to check track, I don't have a before measurement...
I'll check camber later today, but I'm not expecting a difference
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Do the front wheels have more chance to rub (ie poke out further) with LCAs and TSs compared to just LCAs
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