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We have the DINAN ECU upgrade for our 2015 X1 i4 -- I'm not as impressed with it as I was hoping for the $1500; I'm happier with the 228i out of the box than I am with the DINAN-mapped X1. Of course, I'm sure it's different on every car, and I may have a different impression on my car.
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05-31-2016, 09:58 AM | #48 | |
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Let's get even more exaggerated: Is a supermotard motorcycle with 65HP a poorer performer than a literbike race replica with twice as much horsepower? Not on your life. The performance capabilities are simply different ... particularly when operator skill is taken into account ... ... which brings us right smack dab back to how each individual defines what is 'better', doesn't it?
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05-31-2016, 10:10 AM | #49 |
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Has a familiar ring to it....and no one has the objectively definitive answer!
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Well i guess its natural for everyone to defend their purchase, but fact is. things can indeed be better. Its like me buying a economy car and saying its perfect for my needs so therefore its as good as some other luxury car. Its easy and politically correct for everyone to just say " oh i bought what i needed" and "oh its perfect for me, i don't need more". But fact is, as a raw performance perspective, the m235i is indeed better to MOST people, and in this particular field as clearly shown by the demographic on this forum, and spending more "Tends" (in most cases) to get you something better. It is after-all always good to have more budget. i say that as a current 228i owner. part of life after all is to always strive for more ain't it? Don't get why you guys are so bothered by an m235i owner saying their car is better. lol. Thats just an opinion being stated and opinions are always good. It is the more premium version of the 2 series after-all, intended to be higher up the food chain.
Its like someone says the m235i is better and BAM, suddenly its always the same 2-3 people out to say the "228i could be better for some people". Well, yes. it could be better for people who want better mpg or have a smaller budget, but hey, whats wrong with letting the m235i dude state why he picked that car? obviously cause he happened to think its better? Why else would someone pay more for a car if they didn't think it was better? if your already supposedly so happy with your purchase, why would you care. Honestly when i read some of the posts it sounds like people are trying to convince themselves they didn't make the wrong choice. Last edited by BimmerLOVER1234; 06-01-2016 at 12:53 PM.. |
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I was too harsh on the 228i.
It's a good car. The engine has great power and economy. It''s got a 300 lb lighter nose weight advantage over the M235i which the M235i can do nothing about. It just needs a couple "must-have" mods to cure its fatal flaws to car enthusiasts. First is the exhaust note, 228i desperately needs a performance exhaust upgrade. Stock noise is TERRIBLE. Second is throttle response. The N20 takes a split second too long for it to rev up in neutral during gear shifts. I wonder what type of mods can fix this. |
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"Honestly when i read some of the posts it sounds like people are trying to convince themselves they didn't make the wrong choice." LOL I think this is the basis of 90% of the internet. Crowdsourced validation because most of our friends will just say "I dunno. Get what you like." Or "I dunno, I have a Camry. It seems nice".
This has been a terrific feedback thread for me (the OP) because it points out little things I might have not considered or real world pros/cons beyond the 'x' is faster argument. Thanks! Incidentally, I had pretty much decided on a loaded 228 vert but have been unable to find anything on a lot. Looking for mineral gray/coral red. So I am probably faced with a 235 now at a good price or a 230 in a few months (then I miss the summer months and pay almost the same). So, now I am leaning back towards a m235i if I can find the right deal. Bozman |
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06-01-2016, 02:21 PM | #53 |
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In this debate, M235 vs S3, M4 vs C63, etc etc none of the options are really bad options. You're basically choosing between very good, very very good, and great a lot of times. I myself have said the CLA is a piece of shit, but only compared to better options out there. In and of itself it's a nice car. Whatever you end up with you'll be happy.
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300lbs lighter in the nose? Where does that data come from? The 228i 6MT with the M-sport package weighs ~3,340lbs. The M235 6MT weighs in at 3,490lbs per BMW. So we're really talking 150lbs, if that. My 2016 M235 6MT with the moonroof delete and 3/4 tank of fuel weighed in at 3,350lbs on a CAT scale.
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Since OP was looking for the relative merits of a 228i ragtop vs the M235i ragtop, and having owned a 2015 228xi ragtop before it was recalled and crushed by BMW and now having had my new M235xi ragtop replacement for over 7 months, I'll throw in my 2 cents into the conversation.
My opinion of the difference between my 228i ragtop and my 235i ragtop has not changed since I posted my comment on the subject back in March 2016 (url below). http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...3#post19518853
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If it was my choice I'd go with the 228 but add the rear LSD and a tune (maybe an exhaust). That would make the 2 cars about the same overall cost but the 228 would be more fun, more flexible and a better handling car, IMO.
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There's something to be said for getting what the primary driver of a vehicle would enjoy and actually use vs throwing money at extra performance purely for ego purposes. Not saying that's what you did, but a lot of people do. |
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Seems like a silly response.
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Also, since I couldn't put it better then bimmerfile, let me paste in his quote from another thread, as I can only assume you didn't care to click on the link he supplied on the subject: Before this becomes too much of "a 228i vs M235i as a DD" pissing contest, let me say this about that. I had a 2015 228xi MSport ragtop for about 6 months before I had to turn it back to BMW because of a total vehicle recall. While I loved that 228i, I decided to replace it with an almost identically equipped 2016 M235xi ragtop. If it wasn't for the sound of the engine and exhaust and slightly faster acceleration, there is very little (if anything) difference in handling and performance (imho) - and both of those differing attributes have both positive and negative aspects. 1. The sound of the N55 engine and exhaust are nicer under acceleration, but the loud engine/exhaust drone in D on highways is annoying. 2. Acceleration in the M235i, while faster is not as much fun as it was with the 228i. With the 228i, I could put the hammer down for 4 -5 seconds on an on-ramp and the N20 would sing with a beautiful note. With the M235i, you're lucky to get 2 seconds with the hammer down before you're 20Kmph over the posted limit. Overall, I'd say that for me, they equally as much fun. But, the 228i is definitely better value.
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Again car for car (apples to apples) there is no reason to go for a 228 over the 235 unless it's for budget reasons (which is perfectly valid). |
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Nonsense. Sorry, but there it is. It depends on what you look for in a car, the kind of driving dynamics you like and how you wish to modify it. There are many more 228s being raced than 235s because it's lighter. To make such a confident assertion that the only possible advantage is budgetary is simply ignorant. I do not understand why people take such pride in this form of ignorance.
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2. Saying not to get the 235 because it accelerates too fast is silly in my opinion and again completely subjective. The gas peddle is not an on/off switch and you can easily modulate it. In fact most people will say the extra TQ on the 235 is what makes it so fun to drive everyday. It's one of the reasons I bought mine. Yes, the 228 is better value for most people on a budget. |
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