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If you are in stop and go traffic an hour+ to work and then an hour+ from work everyday then I suppose there is a small difference, but I would feel sorry for myself and for my car ))) I've been driving manuals for 10+ years and have zero issues driving them. Plus manual transmission in M235i is really nice, and I am coming from driving S2000 for last 5 years
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05-23-2016, 04:27 PM | #25 |
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Also came from a S2000. Definitely recommend driving both. 228i will likely have the same-ish straight line speed. I think where these cars will lack is driving dynamics compared to the S. Honestly, it's just not as good. But there are pluses! For starters, it's way more comfortable. The torque on the m235i is intoxicating as well.
I voted the M235i with my money. Although, if you don't need the raw power, like better mpg, and like to keep a little extra spending cash in the wallet than 228i can be a great choice. Drive both though, you'll know afterwards. |
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While we both enjoyed our 6-speed previous cars when we lived where there wasn't quite so much traffic congestion (we have bridges and causeway to cross when going to and from downtown here), they're just not practical in our location. If all you're going to use the car for is road (non-traffic) or track driving, sure, a 6-speed is fine. Just not for commuting to and from work in stop-and-go traffic.
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05-24-2016, 12:38 PM | #29 | |
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I'm in one of the worst regions in the US (SF Bay Area) and am stuck in stop-and-go commute everyday for 15~30min even when I avoid rush hour. During rush hour it's easily over an hour. My legs don't get tired. It's more about getting frustrated and that's the same in MT as in AT. But that's just me. Been driving for 30 yrs. Sure if I'm 20yrs older like you and knees are giving out I'd go with AT. But for now MT works fine even in traffic. I consider the slight increase in effort, if any, a nice exercise. And when the traffic clears up, it's a blast. |
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05-27-2016, 03:40 PM | #30 |
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My neighbor who owns a 4 cyl 4 series stopped at our local BMW dealer and took a test drive in the M235i with a young guy who is their product mgr. My neighbor said the guy races BMW's and the test drive was eye opening. The guy drove first and showed my friend the capabilities of the car then let him drive and he couldn't believe the difference between his 4 series and this car. He was planning to order the M2 but now is considering the M235 or the M240. I am going to hook up with this guy and get him to take me out in the 228i and M235i. I think that is better than going out with a salesman. Your thoughts.
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05-27-2016, 05:26 PM | #31 | |
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As has been mentioned, make sure to read up on the 230i and 240i coming soon. At this point I wouldn't get a 2016 unless I got a screaming deal. |
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05-27-2016, 05:31 PM | #32 |
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Test Drive the 228i hard for 10 minutes. After that , when the engine idles at 600-700rpm, the vibration be felt in the seat and the steering wheel. quite an unrefined engine, unlike the inline sixes. I found this pretty unbearable. In fact i even approached my workshop to ask if they could make it idle at 750 instead, where vibration was far less. they told me its not possible.
In the end, sounds like your just looking for something fun and practical, the 228i should be good enough if your able to put up with this and the lack of a good engine note. I guess better MPG is a plus. However, if your priority is power, tuning headroom and the overall feel, the m235i is a better car for not that much more. Like some others have mentioned the 240i is coming and if possible you could even wait for that. I got a 228i 3 months ago, and am already planning to swap as it just dosen't feel powerful enough even with a tune and full bolt ons. My vote goes to the m235i/m240i |
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05-27-2016, 06:51 PM | #33 |
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Sorry to read you're having this experience. Not sure what engine calibration is for Singapore, but I have had none of these issues. It would be disconcerting if my car did the same as yours.
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05-27-2016, 08:06 PM | #35 |
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I'm set on a vert. Live at the beach and we love driving with the top down. Since I am about a year and a half away the 240i might be the best choice. As mentioned before the test drive will clear up a lot of uncertainty. Thanks.
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05-27-2016, 11:37 PM | #36 | |
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Perhaps calibration could be different for the idle rpm, since the seat vibration is not there above 730 rpm idle, but the 1250-1400 rough spot is always there regardless. One things for sure. i've spoken to 328i, 428i owners and 228i owners from the local cars and coffee. and almost everyone i know has regretted like me, not going for the N55. Last edited by BimmerLOVER1234; 05-28-2016 at 01:26 AM.. |
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05-28-2016, 02:17 PM | #37 | |
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All in all, the lack of regrets results from test driving both and making a considered choice to build one to spec. I do not care about engine sound, personally; the radio is always on Sirius, the AC is running, and I'm inside with the windows up. The additional performance can't be exploited often in my daily environment, and I don't track, so quite satisfied and staying alert to remain below triple digits on the highway commute. I could get in plenty of trouble with the N20. I respect the opinions of your colleagues, but must realize the multiple biases in asking for and taking their opinions as generally representative of all 2 Series owners.
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05-28-2016, 03:20 PM | #38 |
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I don't understand the reason anyone would put extra dollars down for a 240i convertible. Its a cruising machine with top down enjoying the fresh air and surroundings not ripping around corners and leaving rubber on the road.
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Not sure I follow that logic - the 235/240 are extremely capable, to treat it like a luxo-barge for cruising is fine, but my M235i vert is much more fun on back roads than my 335i was - a little extra chassis jiggle does not ruin the handling of the car and you get to actually hear the engine rev to 7k without the fake stereo noise in the way.
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I suppose if your other car was a commuter box it would not be an issue. I would guess that others here who drive four second or faster 0-60 cars need as much horsepower as possible or things feel slow. |
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