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After all these decades, my phony enthusiasm has finally been laid bare.
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03-31-2018, 11:56 AM | #24 |
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Ditto that. I used to be a real car guy, dreaming of someday converting my car (a 240z) into something with at least 90hp/liter - and if I'd won the lottery, computerized fuel injection and a modded factory turbo setup that wouldn't blow a gasket at more than 15lbs of boost. Now I settle for stock....
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03-31-2018, 01:22 PM | #26 |
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I'm sorry but 120-140hp/liter is pushing things IMHO, not holding back (if you also want 60-100k miles out of the motor). Many manufacturers are topping this mightily in the quest for HP ratings - I think Ford has over 150hp/L from that 'brawny' 2L motor (now turning up in droves for bore-shift and gasket blowouts); Audi and MB are also pushing up over 160/L on their sport/AMG models - hardly 'holding back'. I'm suspicious that these motors have a very carefully designed warranty life (aka lease term?), and are giving it all up in that period if used anywhere near their capacity. And isn't 'post-lease maintenance' usually paid for by the second purchaser?
I get the attraction of a simple plug-in that adds 20-50hp; might do one myself someday. But anybody who tries to tell you that 'unlocking' all that Hp doesn't come with a direct reduction in lifespan and reliability is conning you. No problem to wring almost unlimited power out with a turbo (check out one of those 900hp Supras or Silvias), just be prepared to put high dollar internals into it, and rebuild after a few thousand hours at best. |
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I would only Dinan-tune a BMW because of the relatively conservative nature of the tunes, their careful testing and, of course, the extra layer of warranty. There are people all over these boards who tune the living daylights out of their cars, sometimes even while they are within the warranty period; I wouldn't do that but I stand by my argument that a reputable tune for street rather than track is a great and relatively safe way to bring out the potential of these engines, which roll off the assembly line all bound up. Certainly, I would find my 228i to be a bore and a disappointment to drive in a spirited manner without the tune; too much lag and a less than fully committed throttle response in general.
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IDK, it's just not worth it to me IMO. Yes the added power is great but there's always the "what if" in the back of your mind. Maybe I'm in the minority but I never feel like my car "needs" more power. More like I can't use the power it has to it's full potential on a daily basis.
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03-31-2018, 02:56 PM | #30 |
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I am not a real car guy. My first car was a Jaguar XK150. I've had two of those and an XK120. I've had an Audi Coupe, 4000GT and some fat Audi 600 or something that was a serious mistake. I traded that for a Mitsubishi Eclipse. I've had a Porsche 944 Turbo, a 928, and a 911 Carrera 4. I've had two Miatas, a Mercedes 350SLK, a BMW 320i, two Z3s, a Z4, a 335i convertible, an M Coupe, a 135is and now an M240i xDrive. Oh, wait, also a 454 Vette, a 66 427 convertible, some kind of Firebird Trans Am. I am not a real car guy.
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I had a rather long and detailed conversation with my service manage before opting in for the dealer purchase and install. He assured me (verbal and in writing) that any issues to the car related to the Stage 1 install would be covered even if Dinan fails to respond. I am enjoying the power bump, it lessens the pain of knowing I should have waited and purchased an M2. In the mean time I will definitely keep notice for any growing issues and if my comfort level start to shrink I will have the dealer remove the Stage 1 tune.
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Wow, a lot crusty old guys up in this joint regarding my statement that "No real car guy wants to drive stock."
I find it very hard to believe that someone that's passionate about cars doesn't do things to their own cars to make them better like the obvious stuff such as wheels, a better sounding muffler, perhaps some lowering springs, better dampers, better brakes, a better stereo, etc. I'm not necessarily talking about over the top mods like a bigger turbo, a ported head, an LSX swap, turning a 13 second car into a 10 second car, etc. Some cars need a lot of help, some not so much, but I would think most car guys want to make their cars their own in some way to set it a part from the crowd. I take the Chip Foose approach to my cars when improving the looks meaning I work on minor body enhancements to make it look the way I thought it should come from the factory all the while accentuating it's existing body lines. Same goes for suspension and power. Just minor work. I call it OEM+. That means the car is easily recognizable, but people will say "Why does this car look so good compared to the others I've seen?". The 2 series is a stellar car in stock form, but I think there are some things that can easily be improved on. I learned my lesson years ago that screwing with too much often leads to all sorts of issues, many aftermarket parts fit like crap and/or are full of compromises, and going beyond 20% in power/handling draws out chassis limitations. It's an expensive and headache-full rabbit hole to go into. I want an air cooled 993 911 (I will have one soon) and I'll modify that thing with a quality suspension, better wheels and tires, a better steering wheel, and exhaust to hear it roar. Nothing over the top, but certainly better.
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Too many guys get a turbo car and see how easy it is to extract a ton of power with minimal cost and effort. Just because you can easily get 600hp+ out a N54/N55 with turbo upgrade and fueling mods doesn't mean the rest of the motor will be very happy with it. IMO, once you go past around 140hp/liter on the N54/N55, you're walking on egg shells as you start drawing out the limitations of the various safeguards, bearings, rods, pistons, cooling system, transmission, and differential. As for those 900hp Supras, they too have their issues. The short block can handle it, but a lot of the other components can't like components in the head, drivetrain, cooling system, etc.
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Very few "real car guys" own cars like the Dakota. They're investments tucked away on a display and wiped down with diapers. Come on, man. A real car guy has a modded 1972 911 that he beats on for weekend fun. Watch any Perspicuous video to get a frame of reference https://petrolicious.com/
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The B58 has adopted many of the design elements of the M3/M4 S55 motor like air/liquid intercooling and a closed deck block. The standard issue S55 makes around 420whp and 400wtq. That motor runs twin turbos and a ton more heat management systems. Sure, some are to compensate for racing, others are there for motor longevity because of the big power. Yes, you can turn up the wick on a B58 and get a near S55 like 400whp, but in the long-term, the motor and turbo aren't going to be happy about it. If BMW intended the B58 to make 400whp, or basically 470hp at the flywheel, they would have certainly gone with twins to reduce the strain on the turbo to meet long-term reliability goals. Same goes for the cooling and ignition systems. Also, the ZF 8AT in the M240 isn't designed for that amount of torque. It will certainly break if you drive the car hard on an often basis.
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