[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Efftooto

How can it be considered Heaven if there are no cars there?

And Hell would have cars but only Civics.....

Chris

...and Audis

[Dylan86]

Heck’s no

[PeterWT]

I plan on keeping my '17 M240i at least through the end of the 8 year extended warranty (~2024). So, I'm not in a hurry. I'm enjoying my 2!
For 2+ years, I have been planning on European Delivery of an LCI G22 M440i in 2024-2025. So, I have been anxiously waiting to see the M440i for 2+ years.
What a disappointment! I can't get past that front end.
I saw a few in person at the dealer the other day. The interior is nice, but the exterior is UGLY! It would have been much better if it had a front end similar to the new 3 or 5.
And, to add insult to injury, BMW discontinued ED.
So, now I'm waiting to see the new 2... I hope they don't screw up that one too.

[MikeT]

I really like the Isle of Man Green color available on the new M4.
Would I buy one just because I like the color?
No.
Er, probably not.
Well, okay, maybe.

[morphomeman]

You can apparently still enjoy the Volvo ED experience. I don't know about MB.
It used to be that Volvo included two round-trip air tickets with the deal. Round trip to Sweden, though.
One of the advantages of ED was that you could drive the car around Europe, with insurance included, originally for a month, later for two weeks. In my case, I had a month's worth of work in Europe, so that was a great perk. Oh well, I guess I will have to rent a car next time, and it will likely not be a BMW.

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

You can apparently still enjoy the Volvo ED experience. I don't know about MB.
It used to be that Volvo included two round-trip air tickets with the deal. Round trip to Sweden, though.
One of the advantages of ED was that you could drive the car around Europe, with insurance included, originally for a month, later for two weeks. In my case, I had a month's worth of work in Europe, so that was a great perk. Oh well, I guess I will have to rent a car next time, and it will likely not be a BMW.

When I've rented cars in Deutschland, I usually seem to get Opels. Maybe they had a deal with the American rental agencies when they were part of GM before the sale to Peugeot. One time, the agency, Avis, I think, was out of whatever compact I had booked and they upgraded me to an E class MB. Sweet car, I guess, but I actually don't like driving such large sedans.

[morphomeman]

I got upgraded to the E Class a few years ago in Vienna. There were three of us and we had to drive clear across Austria and through a piece of Italy to Gorizia, a town on the Slovenian border. The trip back was through the night. The E Class was perfect!

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

You can apparently still enjoy the Volvo ED experience. I don't know about MB.
It used to be that Volvo included two round-trip air tickets with the deal. Round trip to Sweden, though.
One of the advantages of ED was that you could drive the car around Europe, with insurance included, originally for a month, later for two weeks. In my case, I had a month's worth of work in Europe, so that was a great perk. Oh well, I guess I will have to rent a car next time, and it will likely not be a BMW.

I did Volvo's ED for a V70R in 2006; I don't recall the length of the insurance coverage, but it covered me for the six weeks I spent driving the car around Europe. In addition to the air tickets, we got a night in a hotel the evening before picking the car up at the assembly plant in Göteborg (Gothenburg).

The fun of picking the car up in Sweden, getting a tour of the plant, enjoying the typical Swedish lunch we were served after the tour, and the convenience of having my own car in Europe for six weeks helped to make that trip more enjoyable than it otherwise would have been.

[Nick_K]

Perhaps it will grow on me. For now I am left wondering how a company that could produce a car as beautiful as the E9 could now produce the new 4 series.

[USA-RET]

Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...........

Thankfully we still have the right to choose (at least for now).

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Nick_K

Perhaps it will grow on me. For now I am left wondering how a company that could produce a car as beautiful as the E9 could now produce the new 4 series.

Agreed. Those designers are long gone and replaced by members of a generation who, very often, cannot complete a sentence without "like", or perhaps its' German equivalent. When the language loses beauty, are not the cars likely to follow?

Boomer rant over

[MissVito]

Originally Posted by WXdrivefun

Anyone here considering upgrading to the new 4 series G22?
Or is the controversial front kidney grill design steering you away?

Thoughts and opinions appreciated if someone is in the market for a coupe 230/m240 or 430/m440?

Anyone test drove the new 4 series to compare with their existing 2 series?

Since you asked, the new front end was a show-stopper for us. I was looking for a CPO 440i and couldn't find what we wanted. I was told we couldn't order a new one anymore since the model was changing. Overall, IMO, the new 4 looks too much like a Lexus, which I could've lived with, but we couldn't get past that front grill. But I'm sure it's a great car overall...it's a BMW, right? Anyway, we ended up ordering a '21 M240ix, sight unseen, for my husband to zip around town in. (He just wanted a small car that wouldn't take up much room in our 2 car garage.) We got everything available for it, but it still doesn't compare to the higher models (4 and above).

We just picked up the M240i that we ordered in August. It's the size car my husband wanted, but yikes, it doesn't ride anything like our X5! It's very firm...I'll stick to the X5 for long trips, lol. But it is fast and the handling is tight! He likes it. It looks and sounds aggressive. If you're looking for a little more comfort, the 4 series has to be an upgrade on ride and more bells & whistles are available. The 240i doesn't have blind spot detection, which I really wanted hubby to have, and the ambient lighting we paid extra for isn't like the type in the X5, 5 series, etc. It just has an overhead light (white or orange) that shines down on the center console, and wheel well lights. (There's no outline of light around the dash and doors. It's definitely missed in the 2 series)

[swc5150]

I'll pass. My upgrade will be an M2C or the upcoming M2, depending on revisions. 4's or a little big for my liking. I actually like the new grill, but only on the M's.

[WXdrivefun]

MissVito Thanks for input. I'm really surprised at the side track conversations instead of sharing personal experiences/opinion comparison on m240 vs new 430/m440. Since there are no Youtube videos on this back to back comparison.

[KennyFSU]

Originally Posted by WXdrivefun

MissVito Thanks for input. I'm really surprised at the side track conversations instead of sharing personal experiences/opinion comparison on m240 vs new 430/m440. Since there are no Youtube videos on this back to back comparison.

You may be hard pressed to find any, those are in 2 different classes.