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A nice piece. Very fun.
I agree that the looks of the CLA are somewhat odd for me. It reminds me of a turtle with that hump-like greenhouse. Sort of a track version of a Prius. So the reviewer basically calls it a toss-up with a slight lean at the end towards the BMW for appearance, fun and handling. think if you asked Randy point-blank which he preferred, it would have been the BMW, no question. He had a sh*t-eating grin on his face the entire time he was driving it. Also...not a single point was made by the reviewer re the PRICE difference (about $15k) So... M235i + LSD + M Performance Brakes + M Performance Exhaust + M Suspension I'm thinking that spending this much would easily make up the .17 second track time and still leave thousands in your pocket for a tune or other goodies. IMO, that's a better proposition than the money you'd need to spend to improve the tranny, handling and appearance of the MB. :-) |
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04-16-2014, 11:31 AM | #27 | |
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Saw CLA for the first time about two weeks ago on the road. The rear lights are HUUUGE! So huge that it deforms the flow of the car looking at it from the rear lef/right diagonal and rear. I couldn't believe that somebody would put them on. They are like flags. The whole rear end including qtr panels does not flow. It really looks like an experiment and not a thoroughly developed vehicle as Germans know how to do very well. The 228/235 are also ugly ducklings especially in the rear. The somewhat aggressive front of the 235 does not match vanilla rear end. The 228 flows better because it looks less aggressive overall. However, neither one of them have flared fenders as older generations did and are flat and unemotional. I guess M2 should fix these. My opinion of course. |
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04-16-2014, 12:17 PM | #28 |
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Idk something doesn't convince me about the M235...
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That amg looks awesome from the front but back 1/3d is horrific. I still haven't come around the way the 2er looks. I must be the only one who likes the e82 better...
As far as the comparison i don't think it's even close to accurate. A 235i with all the M performance parts or even a base M4 would be more fair as far as price goes. |
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The throttle response is good in the M235i but the 1M is better, even without pressing the M button for the remapped throttle response. He loves the engine in the M235i but then says this about the 1M: On the 1M engine... "The engine is smooth, the power is reasonably good, but in today's world, that's not a fast car. I'm telling ya, it is not a fast car in today's world. Maybe because I've just spent too much time in 500-horsepower cars." -RP For more Randy Robst review of the 1M: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...28&postcount=1
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That Randy Pobst oversteer/understeer scale needs to go in to the subjective portion of every car review.
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Merc the same size and same price as the new M3 sedan, that would be a no brainier decision in BMW's favor. How you compare a rear drive 2 door 6 cyl for $15K less with a much bigger 4 cyl 4 door all wheel drive is beyond comprehension from a consumer standpoint. Seems like the M3 would be a more natural competitor since its $60K and has 4 doors. Of course from what I've read the back seat in the Merc is about as useful or even less so than the M235.
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Personally I'd have the M235i.. the CLA is very good in isolation but RWD and an I-6 is much more appealing than AWD and a 4 pot. If this was A45 against M235i.. hmm maybe the MB |
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Regarding the braking comparison, the reviewers stated that the CLA45's brakes felt stronger and engaged quicker. That's why they preferred them to the M235i's even if it did brake in a shorter distance. Stats are great, but they do not always tell the whole story.
On paper the CLA appears to be a clear winner over the M235i. In a real life comparison it's a whole lot closer. The CLA45 is impressive even if it's looks are controversial. I would still choose the M235i. Last edited by ibeam81; 04-16-2014 at 02:15 PM.. Reason: Correct Grammar |
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There's a difference between brake feel and brake performance! The reviewer explicitly noted that while the BMW stopped shorter in some of the tests, the brake feel wasn't as good. Both Lieberman and Pobst went to great lengths to explain this in detail, but all anyone can do is point out the inconsistency that was already noted. It's subjective! The BMW has more uptake before you begin to get braking, and doesn't feel as good once you do. It's not like they called your mother something unkind. It was disappointing that they didn't point out the price differential in greater detail. The CLA 45 AMG they tested was a $60k car. Holy shit! That's a lot of coin for an "entry level" AMG. Even the base car is $4350 more expensive. The M235i tops out in the low $50k range, even when you pile on the options, so the spread is even greater when you buy the car that you want.
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I wonder if it doesn't have something to do with context. IIRC, when Randy was reviewing the 1M, it was at a time when MT was doing their "best driver's car" segment, so he was driving the 1M back to back with cars like the 911 GT3 and Corvette ZR1. Not to mention, the difference in expectation. The 1M was a full on M-car. Maybe he was expecting more. I never got the opportunity to test drive a 1M, so I don't have any personal experience, but the short wheelbase of the 1-series gave it a general reputation as a feisty car to drive fast. I know my plain old 135i had a very abrupt feel to it. Bumps in the road would unsettle that car very easily compared to my brother-in-law's E92 335i coupe. Maybe that difference in character gave Randy a sour feeling, and he just kind of went off a cliff in terms of viewpoint. Not really sure why I'm defending him, other than the fact that I appreciate his views, even if I don't always agree with him.
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I fully understand brake feel but i dont think Randy had anything negative to say about the M235i, i think Dumberman kept saying his negative opinions and Randy just agreed to avoid making him look stupid. Watch the video again and look at Randys face. He doesnt seem to agree.
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Because he was told that lol
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