[x622]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

almost entirely =/= only.




how many states are there where you live?

Alaska power mix:

Coal (11.6%)
Natural Gas (42.3%)
Hydroelectric (29.5%)
Wind (2.2%)
Biomass (0.6%)
Petroleum (13.8%)

Alaska is 67.7 % carbon based, and since it's not predominantly solar, that means there is no "green" time of day to use power there like High solar-source states.

Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources in Alaska too.



FYI : High efficiency Natural gas turbines are 100% Carbon based.

I'm laughing so hard at you trying to explain base load generation to people completely outside of the clue-zone.

What are you going to do next? Talk about peakers and day forward pricing?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by x622

I'm laughing so hard at you trying to explain base load generation to people completely outside of the clue-zone.

What are you going to do next? Talk about peakers and day forward pricing?

Mmmm, curtailment pricing sounds so economically satisfying. Nothing like a good "generation alert" to make the finances run deep into the black.

It will be just like gasoline prices. A Shiek in Arabia catches a cold? 2 week long price-hike at the pump in the US.

As a member of Caliso, we are moving to 5-minute supply trading blocks "because it will save the consumers money" LOL.

[M5Rick]

Probably a good time to post this again.

''Costs more to charge an EV than to fill with gas''
Up to 4:33.

[Car-Addicted]

The hidden costs of charging an electric vehicle nobody is talking about
August 7, 2023
Here are the average monthly costs for all three options. Note that the example gasoline vehicle we’re using gets roughly 33 miles per gallon at the current national average gas price of $3.66 per gallon and assuming that each vehicle goes 1,000 miles per month.

Monthly gasoline vehicle fueling costs: $110
Monthly public EV charging costs: $150
Monthly at-home EV charging costs: $60

Electric cars usually include a Level 1 charger which can be plugged into any 120-volt outlet. However, a Level 1 charger can take a full 20 hours to charge up the vehicle, so many EV owners purchase and install a Level 2 charger in their homes. These EV chargers can add value to the home and they can power up the vehicle in almost half the time.

A Level 2 charger can range in price, but it will typically cost up to $3,500 for both the equipment and installation costs.

Extreme hot and cold temperatures can damage your EV’s battery, ultimately making it charge slower and maintain its charge poorly. That’s why getting your garage ready for an electric vehicle includes creating a temperature-controlled environment to ensure your battery will last longer and be more efficient.

https://www.21oak.com/inspiration/ev...harging-costs/

So if you install your Level 2 charger and charge at home you have to cost average the installation into your miles per kWh calculation. Hard to see the return on investment but what is the value of appearing more green to your friends and neighbors, at least till you have to get towed home a couple times.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The hidden costs of charging an electric vehicle nobody is talking about
August 7, 2023
Here are the average monthly costs for all three options. Note that the example gasoline vehicle we’re using gets roughly 33 miles per gallon at the current national average gas price of $3.66 per gallon and assuming that each vehicle goes 1,000 miles per month.

Monthly gasoline vehicle fueling costs: $110
Monthly public EV charging costs: $150
Monthly at-home EV charging costs: $60

Electric cars usually include a Level 1 charger which can be plugged into any 120-volt outlet. However, a Level 1 charger can take a full 20 hours to charge up the vehicle, so many EV owners purchase and install a Level 2 charger in their homes. These EV chargers can add value to the home and they can power up the vehicle in almost half the time.

A Level 2 charger can range in price, but it will typically cost up to $3,500 for both the equipment and installation costs.

Extreme hot and cold temperatures can damage your EV’s battery, ultimately making it charge slower and maintain its charge poorly. That’s why getting your garage ready for an electric vehicle includes creating a temperature-controlled environment to ensure your battery will last longer and be more efficient.

https://www.21oak.com/inspiration/ev...harging-costs/

So if you install your Level 2 charger and charge at home you have to cost average the installation into your miles per kWh calculation. Hard to see the return on investment but what is the value of appearing more green to your friends and neighbors, at least till you have to get towed home a couple times.

*** Me, this is literally EVERYONE is talking about this in this thread all the time Mr. i did my research.

And damn, you can average 33mpg! Average. I got 35-6 on one 3hr segment last month on a 1400 mile trip, thats one segment and all highway of course. My “average” is much worse. Or are you driving a prius?

[White8CAB]

See my Ad for Lucid Air Grand touring in bimmerpost classifieds -Range anxiety is a thing of the past.

[Car-Addicted]

Good news. The Carbon tax is back you guess who is going to pay?

Africa Climate Summit Hears Calls for Carbon Tax on World’s Richest Nations
Economic success must have a price and a global tax on carbon emissions can help redress Africa’s chronically low Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rates, Kenya’s President William Ruto declared Tuesday as the first Africa Climate Summit began.
He pointed to “climate change” driven by successful, dynamic economies in Europe, North America and Asia, as a drain on Africa’s economic progress and it’s time to have a global conversation about a carbon tax on the world’s richest nations.
“Those who produce the garbage refuse to pay their bills,” Ruto said, according to AP, echoing others who have also called for carbon tax impositions.
The U.S. government’s special climate envoy, John Kerry, agreed and acknowledged the “acute, unfair debt” carried by Africa nations must be addressed.

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/202...chest-nations/

Now class, repeat after me: This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with income redistribution.

China will of course pay their fair share.

[White8CAB]

Your EV facts are different then my experience. My level 2 home charger costs about 1500 not 3500. And you can get a tax credit or utility subsidy for installation. Also the most efficient EVs get 80-100MPG equivalent. Lastly maintenance costs are much lower although with free maintenance from BMW this is less of a factor. None of this takes into account that EV;s drive better due to their low center of gravity and are generally quieter. In addition the Lucid has an S class/ 7 series back seat in a 5 series body due to miniaturized motors and superior design.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Lucid website says 300 miles in 20 minutes (i.e. under ideal conditions - temp and finding a working DC fast charging station). Compared to my E90 at 420 miles in 5 minutes, the Lucid still provides range anxiety. Sorry.

Some people just have a lot of anxiety... understandable when you are smashing into wildlife every couple of days. I'm surprised you can even muster the courage to leave the house!

That being said if I was an anxious person I would much rather have a lower range Tesla than a higher range none Tesla. I have 0 worry driving my model 3 from FL to NC. I'm also certain when I go to a supercharger I will have a working charger available.

I was just watching a video on youtube where some guys drove a Lucid Air, Tesla S Plaid and a Tycan (whatever the base version is) from I think Colorado to Las Vegas. The idea was to see who made it first. The Tesla made it first, then the Lucid then the Porsche. Main issue with the Porsche and the Lucid was the Electrify America charge network is a pos and at a lot of stops chargers were broken, slow or had lines because chargers were broken and/or slow. That being said the Tesla only beat the Lucid by like 30min and the Porsche came in like 30min after that so in the grand scheme of the drive practically the same shit.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Good news. The Carbon tax is back you guess who is going to pay?

Africa Climate Summit Hears Calls for Carbon Tax on World’s Richest Nations
Economic success must have a price and a global tax on carbon emissions can help redress Africa’s chronically low Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rates, Kenya’s President William Ruto declared Tuesday as the first Africa Climate Summit began.
He pointed to “climate change” driven by successful, dynamic economies in Europe, North America and Asia, as a drain on Africa’s economic progress and it’s time to have a global conversation about a carbon tax on the world’s richest nations.
“Those who produce the garbage refuse to pay their bills,” Ruto said, according to AP, echoing others who have also called for carbon tax impositions.
The U.S. government’s special climate envoy, John Kerry, agreed and acknowledged the “acute, unfair debt” carried by Africa nations must be addressed.

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/202...chest-nations/

Now class, repeat after me: This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with income redistribution.

China will of course pay their fair share.

If any of this climate change thing had to do with the environment, there would no longer be carbon credits and a market for selling those among businesses.

[gonzo]

^
Last years Nobel recipient, physicist, said something a few days ago...
"It's all a manufactured myth"

[M5Rick]

30 EV's which drop in value like a stone down a well (UK specific)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/el...l_desktop_home

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

30 EV's which drop in value like a stone down a well (UK specific)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/el...l_desktop_home

All EVs will drop in value because they are at present a recycable appliance that no one buys long term... it's a lease and done deal with newer versions of vehicles... until that trend reverses and the market stabilizes with no new techinical updates every 3 weeks unlike ICE cars... this will follow the trend.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by ASAP

All EVs will drop in value because they are at present a recycable appliance that no one buys long term... it's a lease and done deal with newer versions of vehicles... until that trend reverses and the market stabilizes with no new techinical updates every 3 weeks unlike ICE cars... this will follow the trend.

I'm guessing, but I suspect the majority of car buyers are in the used market for various reasons. Many just can't afford a new car or they don't want to see the immediate depreciation once you drive off the lot. Regardless, I don't really see a big market for used EV's, I could be wrong but I have zero interest in a new EV and less for used. I think your comment equating them to an appliance is pretty accurate. Like any tech many people want the latest & greatest. I guess time will tell.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by ASAP

All EVs will drop in value because they are at present a recycable appliance that no one buys long term... it's a lease and done deal with newer versions of vehicles... until that trend reverses and the market stabilizes with no new techinical updates every 3 weeks unlike ICE cars... this will follow the trend.

Your choice of using recyclable is pretty ironic.

As to the concerns of owning long term and waiting for the next best thing, this is born out of the a major operating component of the EV, the battery. It's not the same as waiting for the next best Infotainment system. You have a situation where full standardization of charging stations has yet to be set. You have the unknown as to when the next best battery tech/power standard is coming out. You have the fear of how long manufacturers are going to support the current battery tech you have in your current EV. If your battery takes a dump a few years from now, are you going to be able to even get a replacement? Will there be an ability to have an upgrade path as battery tech advances?

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

recycable lmfao, like you just get rid of it. poof its gone

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

30 EV's which drop in value like a stone down a well (UK specific)

Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of idiots.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I'm guessing, but I suspect the majority of car buyers are in the used market for various reasons. Many just can't afford a new car or they don't want to see the immediate depreciation once you drive off the lot. Regardless, I don't really see a big market for used EV's,

Sales of used light vehicles in the United States came to around 38.6 million units in 2022. The same year, approximately 13.6 million new light trucks and automobiles were sold here.
How many EV were purchased on a lease and with government tax credits.:sigh

Up to $4,000.00 rebate to defray the cost of burning down your house. Good Deal?
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductio...vehicle-credit

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Your choice of using recyclable is pretty ironic.

As to the concerns of owning long term and waiting for the next best thing, this is born out of the a major operating component of the EV, the battery. It's not the same as waiting for the next best Infotainment system. You have a situation where full standardization of charging stations has yet to be set. You have the unknown as to when the next best battery tech/power standard is coming out. You have the fear of how long manufacturers are going to support the current battery tech you have in your current EV. If your battery takes a dump a few years from now, are you going to be able to even get a replacement? Will there be an ability to have an upgrade path as battery tech advances?

you are 100% correct... and this is reality... we are creating a vehicle meant to be sustainable by consistently testing unsustainable processes

[M5Rick]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[Car-Addicted]

You can have your battery powered TR6 of you can have this:

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You can have your battery powered TR6 of you can have this:

Now you're talking