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Who the fuck cares about the cars you like or you. Get a life douchebag. Fanboy my ass, who the fuck cares about all the cars you are talking about, follow the thread dumbass. Mercedes AMG vs M235 in case you can't read.
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I can see where someone would find the CLA more luxurious looking, but I put some seat time in the CLA today, and I much prefer the BMW. The Merc has the edge in some areas, but the BMW blows it away as an over all package. My problems with the Merc have more to do with design than materials quality. BMW's new iDrive screen is bad enough the way it sticks out of the dash, but it at least looks like it was incorporated in the overall interior design. The nav screen in the CLA literally looks like an aftermarket mount. It's ridiculous. From an exterior perspective, they're two very different cars. The M235i has a more aggressive "wedge" profile, while the CLA goes for more of a swept teardrop shape. Ultimately, it comes down to what you want out of the car. I wouldn't say the M235i is going for the luxury focused buyer though. It's targeted squarely at the sport-luxury buyer, with more focus on the sport side of the equation. The AMG has it beat by the numbers, but we're comparing a full blown AMG car to an M-Performance model. A more apt comparison would be the upcoming M2. Based on how well the M135i fared against the A45 AMG in the comparison tests, I wouldn't expect it to be much of a fight for the M2. Although, Mercedes has plenty of time to update the A/CLA.
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Are there any special forum users here with special rights, maybe in proportion to the number of BMWs owned, that allow them to say whatever they want?! I have systematically been banned from forums here for a LOT less by answering to posts like that. I'll just ignore it and let the moderation do their work... |
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newest motor trend comparo, semi-relevant:
4th Place: Mercedes-Benz CLA250 It'll be a star when rough-riding luxury cars become all the rage. 3rd Place: Volkswagen CC 2.0T R-Line Beauty craving more substance. 2nd Place: Buick Regal T Nearly bucked the “3 Series always win” trend. 1st Place: BMW 320i Prepared for any road, anywhere, any time. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html |
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By looking at the pictures alone you can clearly tell what car stands out both from the interior and exterior... again, it has that expensive look even when compared to the much more grown-up competition, no matter what the text can possibly say which I didn't take the trouble to read anyway, because luxury is about image...
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CLA looks like it fell the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.....twice
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And to prove the above point, the CLA 45 keeps being compared to luxury oriented cars of the more expensive segments... and you can clearly see how well it stands:
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The evidences continue... the inline 6 cyl. engine is so lengthy that makes the 3-series silhouette awkward due to the very long bonnet... and for what?! Wouldn't a turbocharged 4 cyl. engine be a much better option from all perspectives (pun intended)?! See the Audi for instance... there's a reason for them to use inline-4 and V8 engines as they are shorter.
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So, which one looks more expensive, which one looks more luxurious to you?!
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You're asking the wrong question. I agree that the CLA is a very sleek, luxurious looking car, but that's not what I'm looking for. The M235i looks more aggressive and sporty. That's what I'm looking for.
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That's physics. No amount of turbocharging can overcome it. There is a conceivable future where this shortcoming is compensated for by something like an electrical assist, but that future is not hear yet, and this new crop of high-boost I4's suffer from poor throttle response.
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I would hardly classify a CLA as looking expensive and luxurious. The only thing that would make the car seem expensive is the Benz logo in the front, nothing else. To me, the CLA looks only a step above a Ford Fusion in terms of looking expensive and luxurious with the rear of a Ford Fusion acutally looking way nicer. They were clearly going for the same CLS look but failed miserably in the rear 1/3 of the car. They managed more of a VW beetle look in my opinion. For reference, I would gladly drive many Mercedes models and don't find the 2 series to be the most attractive car either, but it is nowhere near as hideous as the CLA. I would happily drive a C class Mercedes any day of the week but I wouldn't drive that for half the price. With performance, hands down I think that MB did an amazing job with that 4 cylinder. Last edited by five3three; 03-13-2014 at 08:15 AM.. |
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Moreover, it seems to me that whenever BMW is concerned about throttle response quality while the engine's power output is increased it simply adds two smaller turbos instead of a single bigger one... like they did when they went from the N55 to the S55. That's how you use physics to your advantage! So, if you really feel turbo lag is a concern in modern high boost I4's all that BMW have to do is to transform the N20 into the S20, which would mean increase the engine's power output by increasing the boost through two smaller, low inertia turbochargers instead of a single bigger one. As I said, with modern turbocharged 4-cyl. engines there's no technical reason whatsoever to use a bigger, heavier, less fuel-efficient 6-cyl. engine... it's pure marketing! |
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The CLA AMG is a full-blown AMG. It should be priced higher, just like the M2 will be. I don't prefer the CLA. It's a fine car, but I think some of its proportions are ungainly, and the character of the engine isn't to my tastes. Yes, it puts up the numbers, but if you're looking for a clear, objective representation of what I'm complaining about when I say the throttle response is poor, have a look at the in-gear acceleration times for the M135i vs the CLA45 AMG. Quote:
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In order for the turbine portion of a turbocharger to operate efficiently, you need a smooth series of exhaust impulses. Generally, you want 3 or more cylinders feeding a single spool. Any less than that and efficiency falls at low RPM. This means the yield in improvement of throttle response for an I4 is not optimal when you add a second turbo. I'm not saying it's never done, and I'm not saying BMW won't do it, but I would expect them to stick with the current twin scroll design, rather than to move to a twin turbo system on the N20/S20. The displacement of the base engine has an impact on the character of the total package. The deficits in character inherent to small-displacement, high-boost engines cannot be overcome by adding turbos. They can be improved, but they cannot be overcome. Fundamental changes to the technology will be required in order to solve these problems to my satisfaction in a package like the M235i or CLA.
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