[tony20009]

Originally Posted by gtron

i didn't read anything but the first post and i can't help but wonder if tony's art in his home is real or not.

I don't own art that wasn't created by the artist who's name appears on the piece. That's true regardless of how much I paid for the piece. Is that what you were wondering?

The art issue is certainly similar to that of fake watches, but there is sometimes one key difference: the owners of some works of art authorize and profit from the creation of the replicas. So it's important to keep that distinction in mind for that is the legal difference between the two. Nonetheless, the legality of the matter doesn't alter whether one has a fake or not. Authorized fakes are still fakes and it's that aspect I sought to deal with because as I've said, the legal aspect isn't in question.

All the best.

[SenorFunkyPants]

I guess it hardly needs pointing out that the legality of owning "fake" anything varies by country. For instance here in the UK (IIRC) owning a fake/copy/replica is not illegal...while creating/distributing/selling is.

[gtron]

Originally Posted by tony20009

I don't own art that wasn't created by the artist who's name appears on the piece. That's true regardless of how much I paid for the piece. Is that what you were wondering?

The art issue is certainly similar to that of fake watches, but there is sometimes one key difference: the owners of some works of art authorize and profit from the creation of the replicas. So it's important to keep that distinction in mind for that is the legal difference between the two. Nonetheless, the legality of the matter doesn't alter whether one has a fake or not. Authorized fakes are still fakes and it's that aspect I sought to deal with because as I've said, the legal aspect isn't in question.

All the best.

thanks for curing my curiosity.

i couldn't do the fake thing myself just because i personally would know it's fake and that's enough for me.

[DocMick]

13 pages in... Yes it clearly matters

[P1]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

Apples and oranges my friend.

This is a forum for discussions, so explanations are what we do. To dismiss something because someone is trying to explain a position is to be insensitive, rude, and largely unappreciative.

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

+1 this is far from an ideal means of communication and things are often misunderstood.

People with fake watches are spending a lot more time explaining why they are OK owning a fake watch vs. people with real watches explaining why they prefer owning the real deal.

[John Tanglewood]

Originally Posted by P1et

People with fake watches are spending a lot more time explaining why they are OK owning a fake watch vs. people with real watches explaining why they prefer owning the real deal.

Off your high horse. Please. It's a forum, get over yourself.

[P1]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

Off your high horse. Please. It's a forum, get over yourself.

No need to get upset mate. It's just a forum.

[DocMick]

Originally Posted by P1et

People with fake watches are spending a lot more time explaining why they are OK owning a fake watch vs. people with real watches explaining why they prefer owning the real deal.

Sig worthy

You win the forum

[RedlinePSI]

I don't get why he's on a "high horse" because of that statement. I mean, it is true! Inherently if you own something fake you will typically do some level of justification for going that route. Then there are the people who just wont do it because they prefer real, even if real means cheaper.

Me personally, I don't like fake stuff. I don't like non functional vents on cars, and I don't like fake watches. Buy something nice in your price range and be happy. Save up longer if you really must have something another level up.

[Sedan_Clan]

I suppose we all have a threshold on spending. Some find value in a $6k watch while others may like the look, but don't see it as anything more than a tool to tell time (..hence the decision to buy a knock-off). There are some material goods that I am unwilling to represent as the real thing (..wheels, clothing, etc.), but there are other things that I just wouldn't pay the premium for, and would be willing to buy the knock-off item (..aerodynamic parts for cars, etc.). It's largely a value assessment.

[John Tanglewood]

Originally Posted by RedlinePSI

I don't get why he's on a "high horse" because of that statement.

It's really quite simple. The OP posed the question, "So what is your view on the matter of fake watches?".

Without saying it outright, P1et dismissed all explanations made in favor of fake watches, stating that "when you are explaining, you're losing". I don't know about you or others, but to me that statement comes off as very high-brow and dismissive.

I simply reminded him that's it's a forum FOR such discussions (and explanations), so dismissive remarks are kind of rude and out of line.

If P1et was simply making an observation and not insinuating anything then that is 100% my bad and I apologize for speaking out. But it would be rare to see a statement like that not have a deeper meaning, so I felt it necessary to defend those explainers.

In the end we are all car enthusiasts on an internet forum, so cheers to all!

[Darth Federer]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

It's really quite simple. The OP posed the question, "So what is your view on the matter of fake watches?".

Without saying it outright, P1et dismissed all explanations made in favor of fake watches, stating that "when you are explaining, you're losing". I don't know about you or others, but to me that statement comes off as very high-brow and dismissive.

I simply reminded him that's it's a forum FOR such discussions (and explanations), so dismissive remarks are kind of rude and out of line.

If P1et was simply making an observation and not insinuating anything then that is 100% my bad and I apologize for speaking out. But it would be rare to see a statement like that not have a deeper meaning, so I felt it necessary to defend those explainers.

In the end we are all car enthusiasts on an internet forum, so cheers to all!

I take it you are a fake watch owner? Also, I think you've proven the statement that when you are explaining you are losing.

[DocMick]

Every loser wants something for nothing. Especially the marque the name the prestige withouth having put in the effort or footing the bill that's requisite in owning a famous Swiss watch.

Then threres the frugal fakester, who refuses to put down 6-12k or more on a watch because he'd rather "invest" that money. Cool brah, but I bet if someone sold you a replica stock or a fraudulent investment, you'd probably wouldn't talk your way into accepting it as a good thing. So take a hammer to your fake Rolex and pick up a Michael Kors.

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by RedlinePSI

...Inherently if you own something fake you will typically do some level of justification for going that route. ....

At the risk of sounding argumentative, I would have thought it'd take quite a lot more justification to pony up $8K+ for a watch, of all things than it would to fork over $30 to buy a fake version thereof. I suspect that it would take little more than opportunity knocking to do just that.

Whereas the fake watch purchase seems it could easily be an impulse buy doable by just about anyone, buying an authentic XYZ pricey watch is not remotely whimsical for the overwhelming majority of folks. I'd dare say that even those of us who have on several occasions spent large sums on watches don't just decide to spend that much for a watch because an odd thought crossed our minds over dinner or in a boring meeting.

It's one thing to walk down the street and happen across a vendor selling fake "whatevers" and haggle a few bucks off the price and buy it. There's likely a sense of "fun" that some folks get from the experience alone, notwithstanding what satisfaction they take in the watch itself. It's wholly another to walk down the street and see that Piaget in the shop window and acting on one's compulsion to buy it. Not to say nobody has that as their reality, but it's just not one most folks will have, and yet the thrill of the impulse buy will be the same for the buyers of either watch. That's something that's price independent.

All the best.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by P1et

And old boss of mine once told me that when you're explaining, you're losing. .

Thats one of those cute platitudes that people trot out when they don't have a coherent contra-argument and/or the ability to make it.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Thats one of those cute platitudes that people trot out when they don't have a coherent contra-argument and/or the ability to make it.

So don't explain - state it as the unequivocal truth.

Which invites the attack.. "If you're attacking, you're losing" ..?

To the uninterested observer, it's just two people fighting.

Who shouldn't laugh otherwise more-so uninterested observers of the uninterested observers would then proceed to state: "Don't you have anything better to do than to watch others fight?"

and so on, so on

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Thats one of those cute platitudes that people trot out when they don't have a coherent contra-argument and/or the ability to make it.

+1

[E90Alex]

So basically wearing a fake watch is the same as putting fake vents on your 3 series and labeling it as an M5.....

[Z K]

Originally Posted by tony20009

At the risk of sounding argumentative, I would have thought it'd take quite a lot more justification to pony up $8K+ for a watch, of all things than it would to fork over $30 to buy a fake version thereof. I suspect that it would take little more than opportunity knocking to do just that.

Whereas the fake watch purchase seems it could easily be an impulse buy doable by just about anyone, buying an authentic XYZ pricey watch is not remotely whimsical for the overwhelming majority of folks. I'd dare say that even those of us who have on several occasions spent large sums on watches don't just decide to spend that much for a watch because an odd thought crossed our minds over dinner or in a boring meeting.

It's one thing to walk down the street and happen across a vendor selling fake "whatevers" and haggle a few bucks off the price and buy it. There's likely a sense of "fun" that some folks get from the experience alone, notwithstanding what satisfaction they take in the watch itself. It's wholly another to walk down the street and see that Piaget in the shop window and acting on one's compulsion to buy it. Not to say nobody has that as their reality, but it's just not one most folks will have, and yet the thrill of the impulse buy will be the same for the buyers of either watch. That's something that's price independent.

All the best.

+1

When you knowingly buy a fake watch it is mostly for fun. It's cheap enough to be an impulse buy or something you'd like to try out. Sometimes you like the style enough to go and buy the real deal. Other times you have a laugh and throw it into the box of toy watches to give away or trash.

It's a piece of fashion, just as you'll find the same style and color shirts at Macys as you find at Saks, you can get the same style watches at different price brackets. The guy who can afford a $100 watch is not the guy who can afford a $8k watch. That guy is not a watch collector, know or care about a company's heritage or particular watch movement. They just want something that looks cool.

[DocMick]

Losers and winners in every argument. If you're a fakester, I don't see how you can be a winner. That shit is fake, and if you accept fakery in your life, well that speaks volumes for you as a person.

[RedlinePSI]

Originally Posted by tony20009

At the risk of sounding argumentative, I would have thought it'd take quite a lot more justification to pony up $8K+ for a watch, of all things than it would to fork over $30 to buy a fake version thereof. I suspect that it would take little more than opportunity knocking to do just that.

Whereas the fake watch purchase seems it could easily be an impulse buy doable by just about anyone, buying an authentic XYZ pricey watch is not remotely whimsical for the overwhelming majority of folks. I'd dare say that even those of us who have on several occasions spent large sums on watches don't just decide to spend that much for a watch because an odd thought crossed our minds over dinner or in a boring meeting.

It's one thing to walk down the street and happen across a vendor selling fake "whatevers" and haggle a few bucks off the price and buy it. There's likely a sense of "fun" that some folks get from the experience alone, notwithstanding what satisfaction they take in the watch itself. It's wholly another to walk down the street and see that Piaget in the shop window and acting on one's compulsion to buy it. Not to say nobody has that as their reality, but it's just not one most folks will have, and yet the thrill of the impulse buy will be the same for the buyers of either watch. That's something that's price independent.

All the best.

Well, yes you make a good point. There is usually at least some level of justification (both to yourself, and potentially others) that goes on when spending a large amount of money on something. So I guess it happens on both ends, just for different reasons. I'd much rather have to justify spending some extra coin, which is really just being thorough and hopefully smart, than to face the fact that I'm trying to fake a more expensive product. And more importantly, WHY would I be doing that!?

[John Tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Darth Federer

I take it you are a fake watch owner? Also, I think you've proven the statement that when you are explaining you are losing.

Wow, what are you in high school? Because piling on like you've just done is showing your age and maturity.

Not only did you completely miss the point of my response, but also you failed to recognize that it can be applied to virtually any discussion that has an opposing viewpoint.

So yeah, that explanation I gave isn't "losing".....more like you either failing to understand, or not caring to understand (which would make you pretty ignorant considering your replies in this thread so far). But I'm not accusing you of either because I really don't care to delve deeper into a conversation with someone who doesn't want to have said conversation, but rather just poke and prod for the sake of amusement.

Like I said though, cheers.