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Faster = Higher velocity. Quicker = Greater rate of acceleration. In the 1/4 mile, it will be close. Once you start tuning, I'd give the edge to the M240i, based on what we've seen from the B58 so far. Quote:
It all comes down to an individual's priority. I'm not saying everyone should buy an M2. I'm just pointing out that all the talk about how racetrack performance is irrelevant is bullshit, because the same things that make a car better on a racetrack are desirable to a certain kind of buyer. Then again, they're undesirable to other kinds of buyers. That's why BMW makes both kinds of cars, and that's why it's silly to suggest that either are extraneous.
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Can't tell if you're being serious about faster vs. quicker. Synonyms Expand See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com 1. fleet, expeditious. Quick, fast, swift, rapid describe speedy tempo. Quick applies particularly to something practically instantaneous, an action or reaction, perhaps, of very brief duration: to give a quick look around; to take a quick walk. Fast and swift refer to actions, movements, etc., that continue for a time, and usually to those that are uninterrupted; when used |
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and like always, im sure the price increases as well.
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Thanks, very helpful. I already own a tuned M235, I'm not in the market for anything right now.
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05-19-2016, 11:10 AM | #249 |
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Interesting all numbers say 335hp but the data on the sheet says 250kW/340hp for the m240i.
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Just to clear it up. More hp and tq contributes to quicker acceleration and a higher top speed. Ceteris Paribus. This debate is so moot. Just wait for the car to come out and see what kind of times it posts. I think it's safe to assume any 240i variant will perform better in a straight line than the like 235i predecessor. |
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Even a stock M240i might be as fast or faster than M2 on a straight line. 340i has 320hp claimed on paper but on dyno it puts down around 330whp stock. Considering M2's recent dyno runs and M240i's 335hp on paper, I wouldn't be surprised if M240i is quicker on a drag race. However, I would still prefer M2 since it's the total package although M240i with LSD is a pretty damn good alternative to M2.
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Thanks you. That was bothering me more than the "fanboy" bitch fest for 5 pages. The WARRANTY is still 4 years for 2017s, you get the same amount of protection on that new m240 engine.
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Tried searching this to no avail - can anyone confirm if the M240i will offer the optional Limited Slip Differential (eDiff?) that appears to have been offered pre 2015 but disappeared afterwards. Perhaps because the M2 was coming.
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It's gone from a traditional ordering standpoint. I believe you can still buy the part from BMW later and have it installed by a dealer for like $250.
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I was driving BMWs since the 80s, and I still consider myself a BMW guy. But I left the brand five years ago because of the total sh*t handling of their xDrive cars. I'd love to get back to BMW, but please give me a sport-oriented xDrive system with MT.
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I went in to lease a base white 6spd w/ lumbar, MPE and LSD upgrade which is about $51k CDN before taxes. That same day this car was coming off of a 1yr executive lease from a dealer staff member, and I was told I could have it for $49k, hmmm. At the time I had no idea either what a "Performance Edition" 235i was, then I did some homework. After speaking with BMW Canada, they confirmed the VIN was associated to the 50 units that came to port as "Performance Edition" vehicles and I decided then that the purchase was worth it to me. This car was sold for $64k (before taxes) and had all of the goodies on it, so I decided to purchase it as opposed to leasing a base. I didn't want a sunroof initially (because racekar) but I'm glad I have one with all of the sun we've been getting here, and being a black car. I could do without crash sensors etc, but I'll live with it. Got it with just over 10k on the clock, and have put about 5k on it since March. Love the car, wouldn't change much. No disappointments or regrets whatsoever. D
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In terms of manual vs auto, it's strictly a preference of some to have manual, but Ferrari gave up on manual a few years back and all new cars are quicker with the auto vs the stick. Audi and Mercedes don't offer manual in the S3 or CLA45 either and that's the 2 series competition. If you are basing BMW AWD suspension and driving characteristics simply on a former 335 or 535 then it's going to be way off as this doesn't represent the M235 or now the 240i AWD suspension. I've driven the S3 and it is slower and less sporty when compared to the AWD M235i and the CLA45 is an extra $10k similarly equipped and if you don't use launch control it's kinda a dog from a stop and has bad transmission tune that lags horribly.
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This isn't the general vernacular; it's a car forum. I would assume that since we're all here spending our time talking about cars we like, we have a common interest in being able to communicate (accurately) what we're trying to say about automotive performance, yeah? People can choose to be informed and not take offense to clarification, or they can choose to remain ignorant in order to preserve their fragile self-confidence. Or they can take the third option and provide some cogent basis for why they feel it should be otherwise. Personally, I prefer the latter, because it leads to the most interesting conversations. Quote:
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What's moot is any comparison to the M235i, because no one in the conversation I was responding to made any reference to it.
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My comment regarding the M240i vs M235i, or any definitive speculation regarding the performance of the M240i in this thread (not the specific conversation you're citing) is moot. Yes, I did read the original post you were responding to. As such, despite this being an automotive forum, I've learned that it's virtually impossible to expect the lowest common denominator (anybody whom has a BMW) to exhibit absolute language congruence. Vita progreditur. |
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Indeed, we do.
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