02-28-2014, 06:51 AM | #243 | |
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cla does look pretty good from the outside, saw a couple here in socal, but inside the thing is pretty bare. the interior is no better than my friends C300 from 2009. almost the same control panel and lower dash with that num pad(god i hate those so much...) |
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02-28-2014, 07:22 AM | #244 |
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I don't see them as anything like comparable.
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02-28-2014, 08:07 AM | #245 | |
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If I saw an CLA45 AMG, I'd think to myself, now why would someone actually spend the money on that when you could get XXX slightly used, or even a loaded M235i? All this shit is subjective so I'm not hating on anyone else's opinions here. But I think, in your analogy, a CLA45 is far from a Rolex. Maybe a Movado at best. |
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02-28-2014, 09:54 AM | #246 | |
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But independently of what my opinion is the fact is the CLA is selling like hot-cakes... either BMW take a different path and go back to their roots or they will loose this game. This is the game which Mercedes-Benz got known for, they do it for ages... luxury looking, fast cars with the AMG sports touch here and there, only this time they brought it to a younger audience normally associated with driving thrills. And that's precisely where the BMW of yore would feel the gap... but instead they've decided they want to play Mercedes game, probably by looking at what Audi as accomplished in the last decade, with bigger, heavier, faster and ultimately less thrilling cars. Except that Audi already had the Quattro technology - that's what gave Audi recognition in the first place - and Mercedes is building its image around the 4Matic moniker for some time now with undeniable success... so, what about BMW?! Do BMW really think they can keep on building heavier and increasingly powerful/torquier cars only based on a RWD layout without transforming themselves into what Mercedes do best?! Won't BMW also have to start seriously marketing their 4-wheel drive technology for their M line?! Isn't that already happening?! So, what differentiates them?! Or, on the other hand, could BMW start seriously invest on lightweight technologies and small, less powerful truly fuel-efficient engines and be, once and for all, faithful to their roots of the now missed genuine RWD only driving thrills?! You see, that's the reason why the 1M, despite of all its inherent shortcomings namely the heavy weight, was such a winner... it was the best they could bring in resemblance to their past, in a truly distinctive way from the competition. There's nothing quite like it... Last edited by GoingTooFast; 02-28-2014 at 10:21 AM.. |
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02-28-2014, 10:23 AM | #247 | |
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It's time for BMW to make a statement and that's not about sheer power... I really hope the M2 will be something else:
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02-28-2014, 12:55 PM | #248 |
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Wow... This is a pretty intense debate. Wanted to share a few points that may have not have been touched on, as we nearly bought the CLA before ordering our M235i.
- Price - The CLA45 AMG is significantly more expensive than the M235i when configured with similar options. Roughly 10k more expensive in our experience. I'm not suggesting 10k is a huge sum of money, but if you're into thrift, this is a bargain. - Performance - Those unfamiliar with the Burger Motorsports JB4: Very soon a $529 piece of equipment will be available to add significantly more horsepower (60-80hp) to the M235i. Its completely plug & play, and takes about 30 minutes to install. With the CLA running 27psi, I'd be interested to see how easily (or cost effectively) this engine can be modified to exceed its factory output. -The CLA is a loud statement, as is a Mercedes Benz in general. As a BMW driver, you get some of the same stigma, but not to the same extent. Our relatives are working class, focused on "reasonably priced cars" because they have to be. The 235 is aggressive enough, without being too flashy in an obnoxious way. Just because you have the means, doesn't necessarily mean its wise to buy the flashiest car you can. For this reason, the subtle aggressiveness of the BMWs are more popular with a large segment of the market. Clearly its not all doom and gloom at BMW's head office. |
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02-28-2014, 01:10 PM | #251 |
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I priced the two..and the Mercedes doesnt' have the power..and is front wheel drive..and Edmunds states the sound of the 4 cylinder engine is too loud...its four to five thousand more...with the smaller engine...I am not interested in impressing my neighbors with a Mercedes..which they all have and probably lease...I want the BMW..the ultimate driving machine.. BMW...All the Way...
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02-28-2014, 01:11 PM | #252 |
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that's very interesting the plug and play..would like to get some input from those that have installed it...thanks for the quick update..appreciate your input..
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02-28-2014, 01:23 PM | #253 | |
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So, if your air conditioning compressor dies, it is highly unlikely that a car manufacturer would try to claim that your engine software/ECU modification led to the problem. However if there is an internal engine problem that occurs, the manufacturer may feel justified in denying the claim. Manufacturers generally don't want the legal expense of fighting a warranty claim denial unless they have had strong belief that in that State, they are likely to prevail. Some States are very pro-consumer. In my experience, modifications such as Cat-back exhausts are not going to be fought by car manufacturers, but an internally damaged engine that was "tuned" offers more risk of claim denial. Wiki: Magnuson-Moss - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act Actual text of law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-50 |
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02-28-2014, 01:46 PM | #255 |
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No front wheel drive car looks great, CLA included. If it's a Rolex, a 2er must be a PP or a VC. The new C Class may look the part, but the ugly little CLA is not impressive, style wise.
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02-28-2014, 01:54 PM | #256 | |
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02-28-2014, 02:07 PM | #257 | |
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The Fiat Abarth 500 is still underpowered right now, and the Lotus Exige has limited dealers. The Alfa Romeo 4c is supposed to come in under 2000 lbs. in US spec, but expected to be a bit pricey - http://www.alfaromeo.com/com/#/technology/4c/data-sheet I remember how nimble my '88 M3 felt at 2750 lbs. Miss that car. |
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Pursuant to the release of aftermarket "chipping" or software modifications like the JB4, BMW began offering software performance upgrades right from the dealer. I could be wrong, but I believe the 335i and 135i were offered these "Performance Power Kits". More boost, different fuel map, and more horsepower. I believe oil coolers and a few other parts were included, but I'm not entirely sure. Either way, I'm confident the motor has plenty of tuning potential beyond its factory output. |
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02-28-2014, 02:51 PM | #259 |
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the M235i..goes zero to 4.8 in sixty seconds with automatic I think? not sure why I would need the upgrade going from one stop sign to another in city traffic..and on the freeways once your at 81 speed your in ticket range.
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02-28-2014, 02:53 PM | #260 |
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and then what about less miles per gallon and your insurance company discovering the upgrade with all those now installed track your vehicle speed hidden chips I heard
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02-28-2014, 03:14 PM | #261 | |
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First off, if you're only going from one stop sign to another, and don't care about the speed of a vehicle... Buy a Prius, its exceptional on gas. |
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02-28-2014, 03:45 PM | #262 |
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Here's my 2 cents... great job Jason in comparing the two cars and, yes, it is a fair comparison. Design wise they both look great but that's where the similarities end. Sure the CLA is a tad faster, but it is only a 4-banger (will never match the balance and feel of the i6), and it costs a lot more. As Jim Kenzie has been quoted, "the CLA is fast but just doesn't have the same torque feel as a comparable i6/v8, etc.". They are both great cars, but I'll take the M235i thank you very much.
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02-28-2014, 09:13 PM | #263 |
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02-28-2014, 09:33 PM | #264 |
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I just saw one in black today. A very hot looking little 4 door IMHO. Maybe some folks will compare them but I wouldn't cross shop them as it a 4 door and automatic only. AMG "tarts" up their models with more flair than BMW but the 2 series has a more timeless clean design. The women driving it by the look of her didn't care a hoot about it's performance. It was a AMG Mercedes thus fulfilling her need to be "seen". Sad for the car really.
Interior isn't better than 2 series but the seats are REALLY awesome. BMW needs to offer even as an option some kind of "recaro" looking seats. The M4 seats look great though. I may consider a seat upgrade myself. As for modibility, the 235M wins hands down. The N55 already has plenty of options. So with tune/intake/exhaust and maybe downpipes 400 hp is a doable number. I'll have the exhaust chopped resonator back and replaced with strait pipes most likely. Maybe a small race muffler like on my M6. The 2 will have legs over time. I think the aftermarket will come up with plenty for this car. Carbon fiber trunks, suspension, splitters etc. |
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