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What the flying fuck does a stoplight performance have to do with what happens at a race track. Next / |
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Not a lot of course. But, the fact that maybe 5% of M2 owners will track their car (that's the high end of estimates on the M3 forum anyway), acceleration and around town driving will certainly be an important part of the driving experience of the vast majority of owners; M2 or M240. I'd never take my car to a track, so can't ever see picking the more expensive M2 over the M240, plus I prefer to tune my cars and the AWD handles the power much better without having to change to drag radials to launch car. If I did track my car even a couple times a year the M2 would be the far superior car for that.
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Overall performance is not that different, and I was always a big fan of the S52 (having owned an e36 M3 back in the day), but there is also something I love about the S54 motors, their mechanical sound etc. The next car I get will be an M coupe, s52 or 54, I would almost prefer a salvaged s54 coupe so I don't have to worry about beating on a car that valuable lol.
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By all accounts the Z4 is a better engineered car etc. But there is something wonderfully flawed about the Z3 that makes it fun to drive. Its a little rattle box, that's really a parts bin car, part e36, part e30, but very rewarding to drive. The Z4 is a much more refined vehicle. Too refined for me though
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Let's hope they offer more than the 3 horrible colors on the M2, sun roof delete and manual seats with something other than leather.
If all this comes true then we can really have a worthwhile car. |
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What is the "Perf. Edition" option to your 235? Never seen that before. |
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05-19-2016, 08:42 AM | #235 |
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Full specs for the 230i and M240i:
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It doesn't even matter what happens at a race track because 95% of them won't even see one. It's funny how everyone talks about performance on a track when they won't even go anywhere near one. Shoot, they'll probably use less than 10% of the cars REAL potential. They're going to be driven every day to and from work and to car meets. They are going to be driven stop light to stop light.
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We're in agreement that BMW would be unwise to do that, because it would cut in to M3/M4 sales. This places the M2 in a tight spot (performance wise) between the M240i — which must meet performance benchmarks to be competitive in the market — and the M3/4, which BMW must protect in order to avoid alienating more valuable (from a profit margin perspective) customers. Whether the M2 will remain supply constrained has yet to be seen. I'm fully aware of the Lepzeig issue. The M2 fanboy population won't shut about it: "ZOMG Lepzeig is maxed out and they won't be able to produce thousands of M2s! Oh the humanity! Limited production! 1-Series M! Oh my!" Nevermind the fact that under 700 1M copies were sent to the US. If the production of the M2 is limited, the production of the 1M was extremely limited. They were robbing many parts from a car that was at end-of-life (E9x M3), and built on a chassis (E82 1-series) that was at end-of-life. Neither of these issues affect the M2. In economics, there are two sides to the model: supply and demand. When you look at the total sales volume of cars like the E92 M3 over its life cycle, it becomes clear that BMW doesn't need to make that many M2 copies in order to meet similar demand. What we don't know yet is what the real market demand for the M2 will be over the next 12-months. I don't think it's going to exceed M3/4 demand, but I could be wrong. With the MSRP down in the mid $50k range, we could see greater demand. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion either way.
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