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      05-17-2020, 04:29 PM   #89
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I actually read that the the 230i was slower than the 228i that it replaced.
My 2015 228i and I are ok with that...
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      05-17-2020, 07:20 PM   #90
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I actually read that the the 230i was slower than the 228i that it replaced.
Everything I've seen is that they are within .1-.2 seconds of each other in the 1/4 mile and 0-60, with the edge to the 228i.
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      05-18-2020, 07:28 AM   #91
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Not to make a myth out of these cars but the real life numbers are even lower than the stock figures being reported by above posters. Throw in launch control and you don't need much of a production to smash those numbers, as Americans would say, "everyday, all day".

Get a dragy and gauge for yourself. You will squint your eyes at the results. These cars are stupid quick and surprisingly underrated.
As someone who has owned 2 of these cars, I'm speaking from experience dude.

Again to restate, I'm not doubting the vehicle can do it, I've just seen a bunch of slips on the internet of the manual version and many are not able to hit that mark repeatedly stock.

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Not to make a myth out of these cars but the real life numbers are even lower than the stock figures being reported by above posters. Throw in launch control and you don't need much of a production to smash those numbers, as Americans would say, "everyday, all day".

Get a dragy and gauge for yourself. You will squint your eyes at the results. These cars are stupid quick and surprisingly underrated.
As someone who has owned 2 of these cars, I'm speaking from experience dude.

Again to restate, I'm not doubting the vehicle can do it, I've just seen a bunch of slips on the internet of the manual version and many are not able to hit that mark repeatedly stock.
Of course. The manual version would be especially difficult.

Genuine curiosity, but are you also saying these numbers are hard to hit on an auto with LC as well?
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Of course. The manual version would be especially difficult.

Genuine curiosity, but are you also saying these numbers are hard to hit on an auto with LC as well?
Nope, again speaking from experience. (I've seen plenty of autos hit it consistently)

I replied to the person that stated the manual 240 vert hits 4.4 consistently.
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      05-18-2020, 09:37 AM   #94
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Of course. The manual version would be especially difficult.

Genuine curiosity, but are you also saying these numbers are hard to hit on an auto with LC as well?
Nope, again speaking from experience. (I've seen plenty of autos hit it consistently)

I replied to the person that stated the manual 240 vert hits 4.4 consistently.
Absolutely. Yes I was speaking of autos as well. I didn't realize your comment was directed at the fellow speaking of the MT. Cheers!
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Much harder to do with a MT. Not only do you have to hit the correct shift points, but you also have to been super clean/quick with your shifts.

I enjoy manuals more than autos. But I'm not about to argue about which one is quicker and more repeatable.
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Much harder to do with a MT. Not only do you have to hit the correct shift points, but you also have to been super clean/quick with your shifts.

I enjoy manuals more than autos. But I'm not about to argue about which one is quicker and more repeatable.
Not if you grew up watching Inital D! Just watching that show made you lightning quick with MT!
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Not if you grew up watching Inital D! Just watching that show made you lightning quick with MT!
Keep your power shifting to yourself, Parnelli.
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      05-18-2020, 12:02 PM   #98
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I haven't looked in to the 1/4 testing. I'm not sure where you found that info? I've read 0-60 from a couple different sources saying it's about 0.5 sec difference. I read the 230 has more power, but is also heavier and the gear ratio is in favor of the 228, but I don't think 0.5 sec difference is possible?

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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...e-test-review/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...e-test-review/

I didn't wade through the reviews to see if the weight difference was explained.

For reference, my 2017 M240i weighs 3,463# with a full tank of fuel.
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I didn't wade through the reviews to see if the weight difference was explained.
With differences in driver skill, tire compound, tire temperature and inflation, weight of fuel and driver onboard, road surface material/temperature, etc.....the results can vary further. But, I am left to wonder why anyone not on a track would care about anything to the right of the decimal? Why don't we just enjoy how the car feels to drive?
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      05-18-2020, 12:32 PM   #100
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With differences in driver skill, tire compound, tire temperature and inflation, weight of fuel and driver onboard, road surface material/temperature, etc.....the results can vary further. But, I am left to wonder why anyone not on a track would care about anything to the right of the decimal? Why don't we just enjoy how the car feels to drive?
Good points, and ones that I'm sure C&D attempts to minimize as much as possible. For example, their tests wouldn't be worth much if they tested an example like this pair while running one car with a gallon of fuel in it and the other fully-fueled. When it comes to tires, though, it just depends upon which great deal from the tire manufacturers BMW settled on for that model and year. You're more likely to read about the effect of tires on performance in their reporting on C&D's annual Lightning Lap event.

As for how much difference it makes, and these are again just my 2¢:

Grocery Run – None
Stoplight Grand Prix – It's unbelievable!
Showing Soccer Moms How It's Done – (do we really need to go there)
Winding Back Road – Some (maybe...depends)
Drag Strip – All the difference in the world
Circuit Track – More power helps; however, many drivers give it all back and then some in the corners
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Quiet Saturday morning musings:

Does anything to the right of the decimal point matter or is it even reliable?

What is the difference between 4.2 and "like" 4.2?
I couldn’t quite recall if 4.2 was BMW’s official published number and didn’t really care enough to look into it further, hence the “like”. Perhaps if I had substituted “IIRC” for “like”, I would have been more clear, but then who knows what you would have spent your Saturday morning musing about. Probably snow tires.
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      05-18-2020, 01:10 PM   #102
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Perhaps if I had substituted “IIRC” for “like”, I would have been more clear, but then who knows what you would have spent your Saturday morning musing about. Probably snow tires.
Waaay too soon for snow tires....80F+ and sunny!

Never too soon to stamp out "like"! Some folks here have actually started or interrupted their own sentences by typing that nonsensical filler!

BTW, that was just a Saturday...catch me on a weekday when I've got all 4 cylinders engaged!
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.... But, I am left to wonder why anyone not on a track would care about anything to the right of the decimal? Why don't we just enjoy how the car feels to drive?
Duh! - 'cause, then, like, you don't have anything to, like, brag about - duh! My bruh is like 'I can go 60 in like 3.9' and I'm like 'damn, I gotta get a better car'.
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.... But, I am left to wonder why anyone not on a track would care about anything to the right of the decimal? Why don't we just enjoy how the car feels to drive?
Duh! - 'cause, then, like, you don't have anything to, like, brag about - duh! My bruh is like 'I can go 60 in like 3.9' and I'm like 'damn, I gotta get a better car'.
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Duh! - 'cause, then, like, you don't have anything to, like, brag about - duh! My bruh is like 'I can go 60 in like 3.9' and I'm like 'damn, I gotta get a better car'.
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And we come full circle. My car can go "fast". It just has a slower rate of acceleration than the M240i or M2.

(P.S. Sorry about "fast" versus "quickly" but reacting to the graphic.)
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Just one more comment. BMW knew what they were doing when they introduced the B48/46. The stock B46 now is at 302hp in some models. i had to tune my 2017 to achieve that. That's not quite car too fast, but maybe car too fun!
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Just one more comment. BMW knew what they were doing when they introduced the B48/46. The stock B46 now is at 302hp in some models. i had to tune my 2017 to achieve that. That's not quite car too fast, but maybe car too fun!
No dude, you should have started a new thread channeling the great Shovelman titled "Car too fun ?".

In Shovelman fashion you should have begun talking about the "works of man" and toasters, and then threw this forum another doozy by going even more meta than Shovelman.

That would have been epic.
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And the great Shovelman takes an enigmatic bow.

(not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the hardest working)
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Well, I think you started a thought provoking thread Shovelman. Well done i'd say
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